Anonymous wrote:no thanks to any friend that supports, votes for, funds, or “feels connected” to ethnosupremacism, whether American, Muslim, Hindu, or otherwise.
Anonymous wrote:no thanks to any friend that supports, votes for, funds, or “feels connected” to ethnosupremacism, whether American, Muslim, Hindu, or otherwise.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not Jewish, and I am completely against the genocidal actions of Israel.
I think this woman and many like her have really struggled after a lifetime of brainwashing and cognitive dissonance. It's okay to disagree with her politically and yet to empathize with her distress. You feel for your friend, and it's okay to reach out to her.
This is not a religious issue, though it's close to her due to her religious identity.
Wow yeah ok: “Your belief that you experienced antisemitism is all in your head - the Jews brainwashed you.”
OP hopefully comments like this can make you understand why this woman noped out. Even if the comments were just about Gaza and couldn’t be seen any other way, she had no way of knowing what kind of bizarrely offensive comment might pop out of the mouth of someone who would never make the equivalent comment about other groups. Maybe she just did not want to take that risk at that moment.
FWIW, I (also Jewish) read that "brainwashing" line as referring to brainwashing about Israel, not brainwashing about antisemitism.
Yes, that's what I meant. I've heard it from so many people questioning what they've been taught all their lives by people they trusted. Many people were taught the Nakba didn't even happen. That is brainwashing. These are good, decent, American Jews who've been taught lies for political reasons.
Just stop troll.
I'm not a troll. Just someone asking for empathy for people who've been raised to believe Israel is an innocent victim their whole lives. It's hard to see and reconcile what's happening. It brings up all sorts of strange reactions. You can disagree with your friend, but if she's a decent person, keep the friendship, check in on her, etc.
But the GOVERNMENT of Israel isn't innocent -- it's doing terrible things. Just like many of us would say American can be fine, but the elected president and his cronies are awful
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not Jewish, and I am completely against the genocidal actions of Israel.
I think this woman and many like her have really struggled after a lifetime of brainwashing and cognitive dissonance. It's okay to disagree with her politically and yet to empathize with her distress. You feel for your friend, and it's okay to reach out to her.
This is not a religious issue, though it's close to her due to her religious identity.
Wow yeah ok: “Your belief that you experienced antisemitism is all in your head - the Jews brainwashed you.”
OP hopefully comments like this can make you understand why this woman noped out. Even if the comments were just about Gaza and couldn’t be seen any other way, she had no way of knowing what kind of bizarrely offensive comment might pop out of the mouth of someone who would never make the equivalent comment about other groups. Maybe she just did not want to take that risk at that moment.
FWIW, I (also Jewish) read that "brainwashing" line as referring to brainwashing about Israel, not brainwashing about antisemitism.
Yes, that's what I meant. I've heard it from so many people questioning what they've been taught all their lives by people they trusted. Many people were taught the Nakba didn't even happen. That is brainwashing. These are good, decent, American Jews who've been taught lies for political reasons.
Just stop troll.
I'm not a troll. Just someone asking for empathy for people who've been raised to believe Israel is an innocent victim their whole lives. It's hard to see and reconcile what's happening. It brings up all sorts of strange reactions. You can disagree with your friend, but if she's a decent person, keep the friendship, check in on her, etc.
Anonymous wrote:Jewish here and APPALLED at what Israel is going, the satanic government and how they are killing it for all Jews around the world. GIVING US A BAD NAME INDEED.
Everyone is hypersensitive on either side but Israel in my eyes is now indefensible. She should have put on her big girls patns and realized that! Its not against Jews in general but the genocide that Israel and its govt are committing I have not problem separating the two. HATE what he is doing to all innocent Jews around the world.
I don't think you owe a phone call, leave it along- as your DH suggested. It will just further the divide.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a jewish (American) person who doesn't want to hear people bash Israel, I would appreciate the call from you. Yes, a lot of what Israel is doing is atrocious but this country has been defending themselves from all sides for their entire "life".
I have never heard ANYONE unleash on the IDF without ALSO talking smack about Jewish people. THAT is the real issue for me. Their antisemitism comes roaring out, and they can't/won't see that.
I am genuinely not trying to be inflammatory but I do find your last paragraph hard to believe. Have you not spoken with any of the many Jewish voices against instances of IDF brutality?
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Anonymous wrote:As a jewish (American) person who doesn't want to hear people bash Israel, I would appreciate the call from you. Yes, a lot of what Israel is doing is atrocious but this country has been defending themselves from all sides for their entire "life".
I have never heard ANYONE unleash on the IDF without ALSO talking smack about Jewish people. THAT is the real issue for me. Their antisemitism comes roaring out, and they can't/won't see that.
Anonymous wrote:I would call her OP. She obviously felt very isolated. I am Catholic and am in a circle that's about half Jewish, with the other half mostly non practicing Catholics and protestants. We are close enough that we talk deeply about any and all issues.
But my Jewish friends feel the sting of antisemitism constantly (not from our group but other communities to which they belong). Many identify strongly with Israel. It is very difficult to have a conversation about Israel without sounding antisemitic.
I would call her and just listen. I'm sure she feels isolated and unsure of her place in this group.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a jewish (American) person who doesn't want to hear people bash Israel, I would appreciate the call from you. Yes, a lot of what Israel is doing is atrocious but this country has been defending themselves from all sides for their entire "life".
I have never heard ANYONE unleash on the IDF without ALSO talking smack about Jewish people. THAT is the real issue for me. Their antisemitism comes roaring out, and they can't/won't see that.
I have. And it gets called antisemitism anyway.
+1
I am against what Israel is doing and that doesn't make me antisemitic.