Anonymous
06/02/2025 11:42
Subject: Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Ivy:
Legacy, full pay, normal high achieving student
URM/first gen, normal high achieving student
Recruited athlete, normal high achieving student
Non-URM/first gen, absurdly high achieving students - those 0.01% ers that will the AMC, national level science and debate etc.
Top20:
The above but also non URM/first gen high achieving students, helps if full pay
Legacy, full pay, normal high achieving student
URM/first gen, normal high achieving student
Recruited athlete, normal high achieving student
Non-URM/first gen, absurdly high achieving students - those 0.01% ers that will the AMC, national level science and debate etc.
Top20:
The above but also non URM/first gen high achieving students, helps if full pay
Anonymous
06/02/2025 10:25
Subject: Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.
Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1
You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.
This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.
It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.
Why do you assume a student coming from an immigrant family is struggling academically or not ready for the curriculum?
+100
At my kid’s California school, it’s the children of immigrants who are the MOST academically prepared.
Anonymous
06/02/2025 08:34
Subject: Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.
Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1
You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.
This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.
It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.
Why do you assume a student coming from an immigrant family is struggling academically or not ready for the curriculum?
Anonymous
06/02/2025 00:01
Subject: Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Harvard's discrimination against white and Asian students has been so pervasive over the past 20 years that I'm not sure they can pull back from their institutional racism so easily.
Harvard's pronouncements which vehemently denounced the ruling were a pretty big tell that they would not obey the ruling/constitution. At the very least they would do all that they could to continue to favor black applicants.
+1
You didn't read the ruling carefully, it clearly said, no race in consideration, but college can take into account for diversity background of students.
This X1000. UC admissions offices are the experts on how to not consider race while still achieving the racial diversity goals of the campus. Using proxy measures to grade diversity of backgrounds promoting and demoting based on parental education, parental language, parental income, etc is a big part of it. One AO pointed out that the traditional ECs of elected positions, captains, presidents, founding something new, award winning are not more impressive than a student who has to translate everything for their parents who don’t speak English as that shows responsibility.
It's a shame that they don't consider readiness for the school curriculum as a factor, and push these struggling young adults deeper into poverty.
Anonymous
06/01/2025 23:57
Subject: Re:Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Anonymous wrote:Top colleges are need blind and are more selective for international students than for domestic onesAnonymous wrote:Top colleges require:
1. Be foreign and willing to full-pay
2. Be connected to the current staff or a prominent person
3. Be a nationally-ranked something
My nephew who graduated with a crazy high GPA (4.5?) and very high SATs, and was a college great-but not top- left-handed baseball pitcher got into CalPoly and a couple of UCs, and the Coast Guard Academy - but no school that I would consider top. No Stanford. No Harvard. No Ivies at all.
So weird that the top 10% students can't all get into the top 1% colleges. Must be some kind of conspiracy.
Anonymous
06/01/2025 22:45
Subject: Re:Any high school teachers here who can give some frank talk about which types of students get into the top colleges?
Top colleges are need blind and are more selective for international students than for domestic onesAnonymous wrote:Top colleges require:
1. Be foreign and willing to full-pay
2. Be connected to the current staff or a prominent person
3. Be a nationally-ranked something
My nephew who graduated with a crazy high GPA (4.5?) and very high SATs, and was a college great-but not top- left-handed baseball pitcher got into CalPoly and a couple of UCs, and the Coast Guard Academy - but no school that I would consider top. No Stanford. No Harvard. No Ivies at all.