Anonymous wrote:No cares about this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The democrat argument essentially boils down to “we need illegal immigrants and open borders because otherwise, who will do landscaping, construction, farm labor, etc”

I just fail to see how this is a good faith, structured argument. There are a million in between solutions that are more organized and managed. For instance, if we are short on farm workers in any given instance we could launch a seasonal labor or some sort of work permit program and let foreign nationals sign up. Why anyone would think massive illegal immigration is a solution to frictions in the labor market is beyond me, and tells me that they really just have an agenda.

Agree. This used to be put forward as a solution but you never hear it any more. I truly believe this is the way.

Actually, that is not what Democrats say. Not sure why you think people writing that are Democrats, unless they are facetiously throwing the standard Republican line back in your face.

Democrats want enforcement with due process, fair wages, human rights. Evidence of that is in the legislation proposed by Democrats in Congress, which Republicans vote against.

Tha maga kiddies are constantly making up monsters to be afraid of, and Jesus, they already seem afraid of everything.

Hmm. The entire political forum - as well as much of this forum - has been completely monopolized by scared, fretting, neurotic, AFRAID liberals. One thread after another, clutching pearls, announcing doomsday, "I am shaking"-type posts. Your projection is an absolute joke.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The democrat argument essentially boils down to “we need illegal immigrants and open borders because otherwise, who will do landscaping, construction, farm labor, etc”

I just fail to see how this is a good faith, structured argument. There are a million in between solutions that are more organized and managed. For instance, if we are short on farm workers in any given instance we could launch a seasonal labor or some sort of work permit program and let foreign nationals sign up. Why anyone would think massive illegal immigration is a solution to frictions in the labor market is beyond me, and tells me that they really just have an agenda.

Agree. This used to be put forward as a solution but you never hear it any more. I truly believe this is the way.

Actually, that is not what Democrats say. Not sure why you think people writing that are Democrats, unless they are facetiously throwing the standard Republican line back in your face.

Democrats want enforcement with due process, fair wages, human rights. Evidence of that is in the legislation proposed by Democrats in Congress, which Republicans vote against.

Tha maga kiddies are constantly making up monsters to be afraid of, and Jesus, they already seem afraid of everything.

Hmm. The entire political forum - as well as much of this forum - has been completely monopolized by scared, fretting, neurotic, AFRAID liberals. One thread after another, clutching pearls, announcing doomsday, "I am shaking"-type posts. Your projection is an absolute joke.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:The democrat argument essentially boils down to “we need illegal immigrants and open borders because otherwise, who will do landscaping, construction, farm labor, etc”

I just fail to see how this is a good faith, structured argument. There are a million in between solutions that are more organized and managed. For instance, if we are short on farm workers in any given instance we could launch a seasonal labor or some sort of work permit program and let foreign nationals sign up. Why anyone would think massive illegal immigration is a solution to frictions in the labor market is beyond me, and tells me that they really just have an agenda.

Agree. This used to be put forward as a solution but you never hear it any more. I truly believe this is the way.

Actually, that is not what Democrats say. Not sure why you think people writing that are Democrats, unless they are facetiously throwing the standard Republican line back in your face.

Democrats want enforcement with due process, fair wages, human rights. Evidence of that is in the legislation proposed by Democrats in Congress, which Republicans vote against.

Tha maga kiddies are constantly making up monsters to be afraid of, and Jesus, they already seem afraid of everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Just announced by Commonwealth’s Governor Youngkin: 1,000 more illegal aliens have been rounded up by a joint task force of the Commonwealth and the A.G.:

https://www.13newsnow.com/video/news/local/virginia/bondi-gov-youngkin-virginia-task-force-arrests-1000-criminal-illegal-aliens


This is only the beginning.

If you are in the U.S. illegally, you just have to go back.

Yeah, you can do your own roofing and landscaping from now on. So dumb!

Exploitation of labor

The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land.
You know who else used that argument?
The Confederacy during the Civil War.
Let that sink in.

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Anonymous wrote:Borders weren’t “opened” in January 2022, dumbfuq

You are 100% correct. The border opened up in 2020 when Biden was elected. Check out the last 10 years.

https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/cbp-encounters

You are a lying liar who lies and it’s exhausting

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Anonymous wrote:Borders weren’t “opened” in January 2022, dumbfuq

You are 100% correct. The border opened up in 2020 when Biden was elected. Check out the last 10 years.

https://ohss.dhs.gov/khsm/cbp-encounters