Everyone is talking about how bad the Zoomers are.

We need to course correct the k-12 systems and smart phone krap stat.

I hate to judge an entire generation…I am 32, so not far removed from this. I worked at a pretty competitive consulting firm for about six years (left recently) and in my time there had the following situations with new graduates:

1) Someone having their mother text me to explain why they weren’t coming to work.
2) Someone sitting at a client site with their feet on their desk watching a movie.
3) Someone telling me (not asking) at 9 AM that they would be ‘working from home’ beginning at 1 PM. I needed something from them that afternoon and asked them to get on a call: ‘working from home’ was apparently going through airport security. We could hardly hear each other and they said they didn’t have access to their laptop to provide the required data. I had to explain that they needed to take PTO for these situations.
4) Someone wearing ripped jeans to the client site (after I explained that business professional attire needed to be worn there). I confronted them about it and the person said they couldn’t afford dress slacks. I suggested a local consignment shop that I’d had good luck at and they said they didn’t want to wear secondhand clothes for sanitary reasons.

^ I'm in western Fairfax county where we regularly have new arrivals mid school year in all grades with little or no education.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

If that is the case how are you employed?

I graduated public high school back in 1997, before NCLB and before common core. It was back when they still make suspensions, expulsions, flunked kids, had tracking grade 2 onward, had special ed pull outs, sent violent teens to juvenile delinquent centers, only had standardized tests every other year once, had text books, graded harshly, demanded real writing / spelling/ grammar, etc. There was honors track and AP tests and class rankings, weighted and unweighted. Never had tutors or summer school.

+1 except severe SPEd was not mainstreamed and there was no ESOL.

We had homework, science fairs and reading reports in ES. But that's deemed old school and not fair because it's all about equal outcomes not equal opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

This is not true. Millennials are the most educated generation in history. The idea that they lack math skills as an entire generation is laughable. American workers are perfectly capable. It is simply cheaper to hire foreigners, and they are more easily exploited.

Curious how much high school or college math a k-8 teacher school of Ed grad usually has nowadays?

Pre algebra i&Ii?
Algebra?
Calc ab?
Calc bc?
Linear equations or diffy q or multivariate?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

If that is the case how are you employed?

I took calc AB junior year and got a 5. I took stats senior year plus a ton of other stuff. Then did econ/ stats as my college major, plus a foreign language minor.

I’ve been employed since 2001 in several progressing roles at different companies in my industry. I’m now a specialist and run the whole program at my current employer. Hiring the wrong person is a big setback. As we all know.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

If that is the case how are you employed?

I graduated public high school back in 1997, before NCLB and before common core. It was back when they still make suspensions, expulsions, flunked kids, had tracking grade 2 onward, had special ed pull outs, sent violent teens to juvenile delinquent centers, only had standardized tests every other year once, had text books, graded harshly, demanded real writing / spelling/ grammar, etc. There was honors track and AP tests and class rankings, weighted and unweighted. Never had tutors or summer school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

+1000

Incompetent
Inattentive
Can’t read, write or do math well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did we fail in educating them?

"The class of 2025 college graduates is entering a difficult job market. Not only is there economic uncertainty, but hiring managers also express skepticism about the capabilities and professionalism of young workers joining the workforce.

Resume.org surveyed 1,000 hiring managers in April to understand how they feel about hiring recent college grads and what challenges they’ve encountered with this group.

Takeaways:

8 in 10 hiring managers say a recent college graduate didn’t work out at their company in the past year, and 65% say they had to fire one

78% of hiring managers say recent grads spend too much time on their phones

More than half say recent grads are unprepared for the workforce and difficult to manage

1 in 6 are reluctant to hire this cohort"

More:

https://www.resume.org/recent-college-grads-are-hard-to-manage-and-always-on-their-phones-many-managers-avoid-hiring-them/

Yes education and parents failed them.

We now ask for what high school they went to and their transcript / grades.

We want a track record of hard work and success and accountability. Ones who top out with only pre algebra - and fakey grades - don’t get an interview. They simple cannot think through anything, nor learn.

If that is the case how are you employed?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Yeah right. Sure. My kid was doing multivariate calculus in high school and took a bunch of advanced math and statistics and data science courses in college and yet nobody would hire him when he graduated. Problem was absolutely not lack of math skills, it's because the tech sector is oversaturated with H1B workers and they don't want to hire Americans. And meanwhile the subreddits in his field are full of commentary from button pushers who don't even code or do math. So for lack of a job, he's on to grad school now.

Your kid is not the type of kid to go into the trades. Trust me, the future tradies aren’t taking multivariable calculus.

We have been told for years by the right wing media that the (now admitted to be math-illiterate) non-college bound people going into the trades are the "real Americans" who somehow carry the rest of America on their backs, while the multivariate-calc-capable college students are just a bunch of incompetent idiots indoctrinated in communism and are unable to find their way out of a wet paper sack because of college.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Yeah right. Sure. My kid was doing multivariate calculus in high school and took a bunch of advanced math and statistics and data science courses in college and yet nobody would hire him when he graduated. Problem was absolutely not lack of math skills, it's because the tech sector is oversaturated with H1B workers and they don't want to hire Americans. And meanwhile the subreddits in his field are full of commentary from button pushers who don't even code or do math. So for lack of a job, he's on to grad school now.

Your kid is not the type of kid to go into the trades. Trust me, the future tradies aren’t taking multivariable calculus.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Which is also why manufacturing will not be returning to the US. The workforce is incompetent.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work in the trades and I see this with our gen z’ers. They show up late, don’t want to work hard, spend too much time on their phones, etc., but that’s not the worst part.

The worst part is that they can’t even do simple math and reading. WHY would you work here if you can’t even do arithmetic!!?

I have family in trades and this was also an issue with Millenials (eg, math skills). They couldn’t handle fractions. Neighbor in finance complained of the same thing 20 years ago. The problem is worse now

Yeah right. Sure. My kid was doing multivariate calculus in high school and took a bunch of advanced math and statistics and data science courses in college and yet nobody would hire him when he graduated. Problem was absolutely not lack of math skills, it's because the tech sector is oversaturated with H1B workers and they don't want to hire Americans. And meanwhile the subreddits in his field are full of commentary from button pushers who don't even code or do math. So for lack of a job, he's on to grad school now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need 3-6 month hiring probationary periods, like in europe white collar and blue collar jobs.

Cut the incompetent ones early on.

I’ve never worked for an organization that didn’t have at least a 90 day probationary period. Am I missing something?

Most don’t in the U.S., and certainly not Club Fed. You’re missing the big picture and actual data set view.