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Anonymous wrote:A middle class or UMC white or Asian male needs MVC in high school for Princeton and MIT if they are not an athletic recruit or legacy/donor.

No. What they need to do for engineering at schools like MIT and Princeton is to be at the top of the math heap at their particular high school. And if that happens to be Calculus BC, that's totally fine. No college is expecting people to commute to a community college to take higher level math.

Unfortunately, less than 50 percent of American high schools even offer basic calculus. And students in those districts are frozen out from most engineering programs. Which is a waste of talent. And it's a very small percentage of high schools in America that even offer MV.

But, in the DC area, schools like Whitman and Langley will offer it. Plus the magnets. I have no idea how private school students in this area are even remotely competitive for engineering at the top universities.

MIT and Princeton can’t take all the students that are in top of the math heap at their high school. So they need to sort them out somehow.

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Anonymous wrote:A middle class or UMC white or Asian male needs MVC in high school for Princeton and MIT if they are not an athletic recruit or legacy/donor.

No. What they need to do for engineering at schools like MIT and Princeton is to be at the top of the math heap at their particular high school. And if that happens to be Calculus BC, that's totally fine. No college is expecting people to commute to a community college to take higher level math.

Unfortunately, less than 50 percent of American high schools even offer basic calculus. And students in those districts are frozen out from most engineering programs. Which is a waste of talent. And it's a very small percentage of high schools in America that even offer MV.

But, in the DC area, schools like Whitman and Langley will offer it. Plus the magnets. I have no idea how private school students in this area are even remotely competitive for engineering at the top universities.

Your statistic is misleading. Over 85% of students attend a high school in which calculus is offered. A signifcant percentage of US students thus don't have the canard excuse of "not taking calculus because it was not offered".

Anonymous wrote:A middle class or UMC white or Asian male needs MVC in high school for Princeton and MIT if they are not an athletic recruit or legacy/donor.

No. What they need to do for engineering at schools like MIT and Princeton is to be at the top of the math heap at their particular high school. And if that happens to be Calculus BC, that's totally fine. No college is expecting people to commute to a community college to take higher level math.

Unfortunately, less than 50 percent of American high schools even offer basic calculus. And students in those districts are frozen out from most engineering programs. Which is a waste of talent. And it's a very small percentage of high schools in America that even offer MV.

But, in the DC area, schools like Whitman and Langley will offer it. Plus the magnets. I have no idea how private school students in this area are even remotely competitive for engineering at the top universities.

A middle class or UMC white or Asian male needs MVC in high school for Princeton and MIT if they are not an athletic recruit or legacy/donor.

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Anonymous wrote:As a note to those who think calc only counts in STEM...if your kid is aiming for PE/Hedge funds, take MV if you can in high school. Finance admissions adore the math whizzes.

LOL

Absolutely no one in PE/Hedge funds thinks taking MV in high school makes you a math whiz. They are looking for USAJMO, USAMO and IMO.

You mean those silly competitions patents like you pay for for bragging rights?

LOL

If you make it to IMO, you are picking among HYPSM's and using the rest of T10s as safety. Silly competition indeed!!

For anyone interested in engineering, which was the OPs post, doing competition math with the goal of targeting top 10 is a complete waste of time because there’s little alignment with the math needed for those majors.

For a good understanding of science the time is better spend having a basic understanding of Multivariable, linear algebra and differential equations even at community college level because that will help tremendously in physics and chemistry.

If a math major, sure IMO will help, but that’s 6 students a year, even if you qualify for USAMO, it’s unlikely you’ll make it into top 10 colleges on the back of it alone, and to get to that level, competition math is your extracurricular starting from 6th grade if not earlier. That’s way too soon to lock in what a kid will do in the future.

That’s why math competition is a poor time investment. To be competitive, USAMO level you need to work hard 4-8 years. You can get the advanced math coursework, calculus to differential equations, in two years, and then you have time to do other things.

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Anonymous wrote:For engineering, from a high school where many kids take MV, you have to take MV.

+1

This! And yes, you will have to retake in College. Where your kid will help set the curve (and annoy those who only took Calc BC and are seeing MV for first time). My kid's school had many kids doing this. 50%+ of their Calc 3 were kids who already learned the material previously.

You sound as if you know this to be fact. Is your kid still in high school or is he now admitted to college. If so, what engineering school were they accepted to?

Yes my kid is in an engineering school. And yes at their school it was facts for mvc and orgo (for freshman). Over 50% of those in the classes freshman year had already taken the course in HS.
U Rochester

Gotch ya. Makes sense. U Rochester is a good school. My son's school didn't offer MV so that's probably why it didn't matter for him.

My kid's HS didn't over MVC either. And yes, at UR, much of those taking MVC as freshman are international students or kids from elite private HSs.

most international schools do not offer MVC

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Anonymous wrote:As a note to those who think calc only counts in STEM...if your kid is aiming for PE/Hedge funds, take MV if you can in high school. Finance admissions adore the math whizzes.

LOL

Absolutely no one in PE/Hedge funds thinks taking MV in high school makes you a math whiz. They are looking for USAJMO, USAMO and IMO.

You mean those silly competitions patents like you pay for for bragging rights?

LOL

If you make it to IMO, you are picking among HYPSM's and using the rest of T10s as safety. Silly competition indeed!!

Anonymous wrote:I think the story of MV calculus, at least the way it's taught at the HS level, and at many universities, is that it's not necessarily a more challenging subject than 1/2. It just doesn't make any sense without 1/2. On the other hand, if an introduction into Analysis or abstract algebra were offered as AP courses, that would reveal a different level of mathematical sophistication, and give admissions something they could differentiate on.

The College Board has come under fire from woke activists for offering AP Calculus AB/BC, claiming these math exams disproportionately exclude certain racial groups, but favoring learning habits of Asian American students and, some white students. In response, the College Board rolled out the watered-down AP Precalculus to boost broader participation. There's no chance they'll introduce AP Multivariable Calculus or anything even more advanced—at least not in the U.S. Apparently, American students are too fragile to handle advanced high school math like calculus.

Anonymous wrote:Math competitions? My kid would rather play baseball. He wants to own the company, not work for it.

Then why not play golf?

Also, a lot of tech founders are comp kids (math or informatics)

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Anonymous wrote:As a note to those who think calc only counts in STEM...if your kid is aiming for PE/Hedge funds, take MV if you can in high school. Finance admissions adore the math whizzes.

LOL

Absolutely no one in PE/Hedge funds thinks taking MV in high school makes you a math whiz. They are looking for USAJMO, USAMO and IMO.

You mean those silly competitions patents like you pay for for bragging rights?

$2.5 per student for the AMC, everything after is free. It's the most economically accessible high prestige activity. Great for smart, poor kids.

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Anonymous wrote:As a note to those who think calc only counts in STEM...if your kid is aiming for PE/Hedge funds, take MV if you can in high school. Finance admissions adore the math whizzes.

LOL

Absolutely no one in PE/Hedge funds thinks taking MV in high school makes you a math whiz. They are looking for USAJMO, USAMO and IMO.

You mean those silly competitions patents like you pay for for bragging rights?

Can't pay to get into JMO/AMO. 50 kids get into MOP and 6 of those get into the IMO team in the entire US! No pay to play here.

I think the story of MV calculus, at least the way it's taught at the HS level, and at many universities, is that it's not necessarily a more challenging subject than 1/2. It just doesn't make any sense without 1/2. On the other hand, if an introduction into Analysis or abstract algebra were offered as AP courses, that would reveal a different level of mathematical sophistication, and give admissions something they could differentiate on.

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Anonymous wrote:Math competitions? My kid would rather play baseball. He wants to own the company, not work for it.

How’s your kid going to own the company?

Plenty of people own companies without your silly math competitions. You are ultra competitive and it’s silly.

DP. Not saying math competitions are the way to go but it’s equally silly to claim your kid will own the company by playing baseball in high school.

They could.

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Anonymous wrote:As a note to those who think calc only counts in STEM...if your kid is aiming for PE/Hedge funds, take MV if you can in high school. Finance admissions adore the math whizzes.

LOL

Absolutely no one in PE/Hedge funds thinks taking MV in high school makes you a math whiz. They are looking for USAJMO, USAMO and IMO.

You mean those silly competitions patents like you pay for for bragging rights?

Anonymous wrote:Question settled. MV is an easy path to HYPSM and Ivies. Do MV and AO's are falling over themselves to admit your kid.

I'm guessing you are being sarcastic.