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Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is very much and ncap mindset. Throw 35 kids in G2 and train them until there’s no tomorrow. 3 move up and find success. 20 stagnate. 5 get injured. 7 burnout and quit swimming. Call those who don’t make it lazy.

Exactly, although the injury and burnout percentages actually might be higher.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is very much and ncap mindset. Throw 35 kids in G2 and train them until there’s no tomorrow. 3 move up and find success. 20 stagnate. 5 get injured. 7 burnout and quit swimming. Call those who don’t make it lazy.

This is so true. NCap does not actually care about swimmers. They care about a handful of top swimmers- the rest are looked at as $$$$ for their bottom line

Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is very much and ncap mindset. Throw 35 kids in G2 and train them until there’s no tomorrow. 3 move up and find success. 20 stagnate. 5 get injured. 7 burnout and quit swimming. Call those who don’t make it lazy.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

This is a bit of an offshoot but this thread made me wonder: are there concrete standards for G1 at MU/Tysons? We are at a site where there is a clear set of time/cut standards that need to be met to get into G1, so you can’t just age up into G1. There are swimmers that will never get to G1. If that is the case at MU/Tysons I can see why this switch is a no win for the G2 MU swimmers.

I’m not gonna lie, if you’re in G2 and you want to move up to G1, then work harder to move up. Show the coaches that you want it and then you get to go to G1. If you are stuck in G2, it’s either due to age or lack of effort.

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

How do you know if my kid got a great coach or not? And even if they do, they already had him, and a strong training group, at a much closer and nicer facility. The only winners in this scenario are the Gold 1 kids.

It could be multiple years if the kids don’t move up to G1. And yes this set up is awesome for the G1 cohort but what is the benefit for the G2 swimmers?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No where is the message your kid doesn’t matter. That is just your projection because you don’t like the decision because they dared inconvenienced you. You still got a great coach. Maybe the message to the Gold 1 swimmers is we care - we are going to create a stronger cohort that benefits both locations and more kids. Sorry in that inconveniences you for a year.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

This. The current G2 coach at MU is great but it seems like the powers at be at NCAP are only interested in aligning their S1 kids to go directly to Gold1 at MU and could care less about their G2 kids. Who wants to pay top dollar when the message is clearly that your kid doesn’t matter. The S1 kids at NCAP that are moving up to G2 are very close and can easily go elsewhere and still train together and another Club will be happy to have them.

No new coach. As stated, MU Gold 2 is combined with Tysons Gold AM. They will be coached by the same MU Gold 2/Silver 1 coach they are having now.

Anonymous wrote:But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

I’m not an involved parent but that is some smoke you’re trying to blow up people’s arses. No one will have any idea what the new coach is like until the season actually starts. People pick clubs and sites based in large part on convenience and the G2 parents at MU kind of had the rug pulled out from under them and now have to scramble to figure out if schlepping their kid to Tyson’s works into their family schedule.

But doesn't this all come down to who will coach the G2 group at Tysons next year? If Jeremy is at GP, and some other awesome coach comes in for G2 and gets these kids faster and keeps them passionate about the sport, that is worth the commute. Right?

Yes. A large group are being ask to move to Tysons for a year before moving up to Gold 1. Speaking with families most are not inclined to do this with other options closer by. NCAP is going to lose most of them. They can all go elsewhere together and continue to train.

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Anonymous wrote:Westwood to Tysons is a 6 minute drive. 15 minutes from Tyson’s to Marymount. My hunch is most Arlington residents swim for AAC, York, Hydra, or Machine and that the NCAP Tyson’s people are out in Fairfax county

A huge contingent of Arlington swimmers swim for NCAP MU; it is an incredibly convenient location.

But they aren’t moving as part of this switch

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Anonymous wrote:Can't argue that NCAP Tysons is better than Renaissance but we are definitely setting the bar low with that comparison.

My kid is at a different site and HATES Tysons. Says it’s old, hot, smells terrible and prefers outdoor practice (and they hate winter outdoor practice)

I can’t speak to Renaissance but my kids have swam for years at Tyson’s and love it because the coaches are more important to them than the facilities. While not the best facility, it does have a lot of advantages. Many sites have young kids swimming late at night because of limited lane availability. That is not an issue here. I’m rather have my Silver 1 finishing at 6 pm than 8 pm! It never closes for meets, snow days, etc and it’s an easy drive to Westwood where they get access to LC.