Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 14:31     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


Yes, although his math is off by a decimal place.


NPR confirms Trump is right, through the data in this NPR article:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired

- 700 current immigration judges (IJs)

- judges review on average 500 to 600 cases per year (let’s say it’s 600)

- 700 x 600 = 420,000 cases reviewed per year.

- backlog of deportation (removal) cases = 4,000,000 (4 million)

- 4 million divided by 420,000 cases per year =

9.5 years to review all 4 million of the current removal cases in the backlog.



However: that 9.5 years would only work if the backlog were STATIC, meaning we hermetically sealed off our border, and the 4 million case backlog did not grow at all. We are still allowing hundreds of thousands of visa holders and visitors into the USA every month, and some will become “illegal aliens.” Others still sneak over the border.

It will take far in excess of 9.5 years to even come close to reducing the 4 million case backlog which Biden/Harris largely created.


Which is why the immigration bill from March 2024 added scores of new judges, to get rid of the backlog. Why did Trump oppose it and get the GOP to tank it?
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 14:30     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:People need to get gang tattoos. They won't be able to identify the gang members for deportation if everyone has them.


They will just empty the country out, who are you kidding.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 14:10     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


Yes, although his math is off by a decimal place.


NPR confirms Trump is right, through the data in this NPR article:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired

- 700 current immigration judges (IJs)

- judges review on average 500 to 600 cases per year (let’s say it’s 600)

- 700 x 600 = 420,000 cases reviewed per year.

- backlog of deportation (removal) cases = 4,000,000 (4 million)

- 4 million divided by 420,000 cases per year =

9.5 years to review all 4 million of the current removal cases in the backlog.



However: that 9.5 years would only work if the backlog were STATIC, meaning we hermetically sealed off our border, and the 4 million case backlog did not grow at all. We are still allowing hundreds of thousands of visa holders and visitors into the USA every month, and some will become “illegal aliens.” Others still sneak over the border.

It will take far in excess of 9.5 years to even come close to reducing the 4 million case backlog which Biden/Harris largely created.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 13:58     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


Yes, although his math is off by a decimal place.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 13:31     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:We can’t process all the undocumented immigrants in the U.S. right now. It’s just not possible with the system we have.

There are an estimated 18.6 million undocumented immigrants in the country and only about 700 immigration judges. That means each judge would be responsible for over 26,500 cases.

Even if a judge could process one case every 3 hours, that’s around 79,000 hours of work per judge. With a full-time schedule of 2,000 hours per year, it would take each judge nearly 40 years to get through their caseload. And that’s assuming no new cases come in, no judges retire, take vacation, or get sick.

Maybe we could try using AI or automation to help deport faster, but let’s be honest, most people would push back on that too. So we’re stuck.

The only realistic path forward is to reset the system. We need to deport those who are here illegally now so we can start fresh. From that point on, anyone who enters can go through the proper court process with manageable timelines.

The Constitution allows flexibility in how non-citizens are processed, especially those who have no legal right to remain. In fact, the government already uses expedited removal for certain categories of undocumented immigrants without full hearings, and that is fully legal under current law. The more people we process quickly and efficiently through these existing methods, the more we can reduce the backlog and restore some functionality to the system.

You can blame every past administration for letting this build up, but something has to happen. We can’t fix immigration until we stop pretending the current system can handle this. We need to start over.



First, the actual number is closer to 11 million. (I’ve seen 10 million a lot, but the Asios poll below sets the number at 11 million). Your number includes all immigrants, including those here lawfully (green card, TPS, etc)


Next, defense flexibility”. If you mean denying due process, then no. It does not. You can’t say hey! Let’s ignore the Constitution for a “reset” that affects millions because we pinky promise to follow it after that. You follow the Constitution always, even when it’s inconvenient. Prior POTUSES, including Obama, Trump 45 and Biden, have pushed “expedited removal” to the edge of due process. I’d love to hear how you are going to do better without due process.

Also, removing 11 million people is logistically impossible, aside from the due process issues. Especially of you don’t use the military, which is politically unpopular (see the linked poll) and raises serious issues like posse comitatus. It also would be incredibly expensive and take an Herculean effort. And removing law abiding people who have been here for decades and are working and have American citizen kids isn’t that popular. And, it would likely collapse the economy because many of these people are in jobs we need that Americans won’t fill. It would certainly bankrupt social security, because so many of these people pay in, but never get benefits. People was new crossings to stop and criminals gone. But been here 20 years, worked in our communities, raised kids, never had even a traffic ticket? Not nearly as much enthusiasm.

Interesting poll:

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/poll-americans-mass-deportation-policies-trump




Eleven to eighteen million undocumented immigrants imply that there are eleven to eighteen million criminals who must be deported from the United States. That figure is staggering—compare it to the roughly 1.3 million active-duty and reserve members of our military, and it would be the same as repelling a full-scale invasion of multiple foreign countries, since those millions are on U.S. soil now. Put that into perspective, it’s shocking. Those numbers are a threat, and perhaps military measures, including martial law, need to be implemented. For comparison, Russia deployed between 169k to 190k troops to invade Ukraine.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 12:50     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:P.S. “Sensible gun control legislation” is unconstitutional. So is “hate speech” legislation. If Democrats cared about the Constitution, they would try to amend it, as required to achieve their gun control and hate speech goals. But they don’t.


There are limits to every constitutional amendment. Each is open to interpretation by the courts. This is why you can’t buy class III firearms at Walmart. Hate speech isn’t a crime, but its use can escalate charges in commission of another crime. There are also obscenity laws. Again, there are limits to all.

Did you take stupid pills daily or is it just “as needed?”

Do you have one of those ridiculous Gadsden flags on your Salt Life pickup?
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 12:29     Subject: Re:Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?


+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.


Why do you keep repeating these lies? Biden complied with American and International law where asylum is concerned. He asked for and created bi-partisam legislation to deal with the issue more expediently and Trump got the GOP to reject their own legislation. Now he is using that same lack of judges to flaunt US and International law.

And people like you fall for it.


CBP One App was not required under international law. Millions and millions. It was treason. I want to know who decided we should create a phone app to facilitate an invasion of unskilled, unvetted migrants? That person should be tried for treason. Seriously.




You know what, go ahead and accuse "that person" of treason. It is utterly nonsense and you will be laughed at and scolded for wasting people's time, but I applaud you for FINALLY using our existing legal channels. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING.


What was the purpose other than to destabilize America and facilitate her destruction? As it was summarily stopped and deactivates as an App it was clearly not required by any law, so what was the point? And who developed the App and implemented it?


Let me repeat: I am for the Constitution and the rule of law. Are you??? Pick a lane.



Article 4 it is the Presidents job to control the borders from invasion. An influx that overwhelms our civilian infrastructure to deal with such can only be construed as an invasion.


Only certain places in the country were overwhelmed. Much of the country benefits from immigrants, whether you want to admit it or not. So the answer would be to improve processes and infrastructure and help those places affected, no? And maybe to work on the reasons people come in the first place? What are they fleeing? Maybe mitigate that (Biden admin worked actively on this...look it up).

So how do you feel about the fact that this POTUS and his corrupt DOGE team are dismantling much of our civilian infrastructure, and not even following the law to do so. Mainly so they can get rid of regulations and investigations of their businesses. Do you believe this corruption and lawlessness should be ignored?


Some people mainly thieves argue that there is benefit to be had from theft. Whether what you want to admit it or not what these people benefitting from hiring illegal immigrants is criminal.


So mandate e-verify and go after business owners. I’m fine with that. Many Dems are. Republicans are the ones blocking this. I wonder why?
Dems have voted against this every time.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 12:29     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:People need to get gang tattoos. They won't be able to identify the gang members for deportation if everyone has them.


There's no downside in deporting everyone with a face tattoo.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:57     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

People need to get gang tattoos. They won't be able to identify the gang members for deportation if everyone has them.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:55     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:One of these recent cases was a Texas district court case where the ACLU filed in District Court, then before that court ruled went to the Fifth Circuit and the Supreme Court that generated the overnight 7-2 decision halting the flights.

One of the government's principal arguments about the ACLU going to the Fifth Circuit and Supreme Court was that the government was deprived, ironically, of notice and opportunity.

In other words the government is complaining about lack of due process where the government will suffer no appreciable harm in a case that is about the government depriving people of due process in a case where the individuals will suffer enormous harm. That's MAGA.


Which is why the SCOTUS bypassed the 5th Circuit, which was dragging its feet willfully on an emergency filing.

They gave a ruling around the same time as the Supreme Court.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:51     Subject: Re:Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?


+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.


Why do you keep repeating these lies? Biden complied with American and International law where asylum is concerned. He asked for and created bi-partisam legislation to deal with the issue more expediently and Trump got the GOP to reject their own legislation. Now he is using that same lack of judges to flaunt US and International law.

And people like you fall for it.


CBP One App was not required under international law. Millions and millions. It was treason. I want to know who decided we should create a phone app to facilitate an invasion of unskilled, unvetted migrants? That person should be tried for treason. Seriously.


You know what, go ahead and accuse "that person" of treason. It is utterly nonsense and you will be laughed at and scolded for wasting people's time, but I applaud you for FINALLY using our existing legal channels. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING.


What was the purpose other than to destabilize America and facilitate her destruction? As it was summarily stopped and deactivates as an App it was clearly not required by any law, so what was the point? And who developed the App and implemented it?


Let me repeat: I am for the Constitution and the rule of law. Are you??? Pick a lane.



Article 4 it is the Presidents job to control the borders from invasion. An influx that overwhelms our civilian infrastructure to deal with such can only be construed as an invasion.


Democrats were against the Constitution before they were for it. They hate the Bill of Rights and are eager to ban speech, ban guns, and ban privacy. They hate the electoral college and are eager to ignore that part of the Constitution.


LOL, you make these claims yet...where is any legislation from Dems to ever "ban guns" - 70% of Americans are for sensible gun legislation that would keep guns out of the hands of youth and the mentally ill; The GOP are the ones blackmailing companies and universities over the speech issue, and the GOP are the ones illegally detaining people over speech, not the democrats. The GOP are the ones who let a merry band of hackers into the countries most secure servers and scrape data on every American from multiple agencies. that data has now been lined up by Theil and Musk as well as the Russians for god know what purposes. Wake the heck up, this isn't the democrats, it is the GOP and this administration aiding our enemies and the billionaires.

Yes, the Republicans are also terrible. But Dems pretending that their hatred of Trump and love of illegal immigrants are driven by love of the founding documents is silly. Even if some hyperpartisan Dems have convinced themselves that they fight deportations and liberal bureaucrat layoffs due to….a Tea-Party-ish fife and drum love of the Constitution, NO-ONE ELSE believes it. Democrats have stopped talking to independents and Republicans and mostly talk to themselves now, so they nod and agree with each other that they have always been big fans of strict Constitutional constructionism, but no-one else buys this laughable claim.


Not. It’s not. I’m a lawyer and know how critical these founding documents are to keep us from becoming an authoritarian nation. And it only works if we follow the whole Constitution. Even parts we strongly disagree with. I strongly disagree with the EC and out of control access to semi-automatic weapons. But I would never advocate ignoring the EC in favor of the popular vote or seizing guns without due process and following the law/ Constitution. Because ai know if you ignore one part, the next Administration ignores other parts. And the Constitution stops working.

Just because you’re okay with ignoring laws you don’t like does not mean the rest of us are.
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Post 04/23/2025 11:45     Subject: Re:Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?


+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.


Why do you keep repeating these lies? Biden complied with American and International law where asylum is concerned. He asked for and created bi-partisam legislation to deal with the issue more expediently and Trump got the GOP to reject their own legislation. Now he is using that same lack of judges to flaunt US and International law.

And people like you fall for it.


CBP One App was not required under international law. Millions and millions. It was treason. I want to know who decided we should create a phone app to facilitate an invasion of unskilled, unvetted migrants? That person should be tried for treason. Seriously.




You know what, go ahead and accuse "that person" of treason. It is utterly nonsense and you will be laughed at and scolded for wasting people's time, but I applaud you for FINALLY using our existing legal channels. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING.


What was the purpose other than to destabilize America and facilitate her destruction? As it was summarily stopped and deactivates as an App it was clearly not required by any law, so what was the point? And who developed the App and implemented it?


Let me repeat: I am for the Constitution and the rule of law. Are you??? Pick a lane.



Article 4 it is the Presidents job to control the borders from invasion. An influx that overwhelms our civilian infrastructure to deal with such can only be construed as an invasion.


Only certain places in the country were overwhelmed. Much of the country benefits from immigrants, whether you want to admit it or not. So the answer would be to improve processes and infrastructure and help those places affected, no? And maybe to work on the reasons people come in the first place? What are they fleeing? Maybe mitigate that (Biden admin worked actively on this...look it up).

So how do you feel about the fact that this POTUS and his corrupt DOGE team are dismantling much of our civilian infrastructure, and not even following the law to do so. Mainly so they can get rid of regulations and investigations of their businesses. Do you believe this corruption and lawlessness should be ignored?


Some people mainly thieves argue that there is benefit to be had from theft. Whether what you want to admit it or not what these people benefitting from hiring illegal immigrants is criminal.


So mandate e-verify and go after business owners. I’m fine with that. Many Dems are. Republicans are the ones blocking this. I wonder why?
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:42     Subject: Re:Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?


+100
And it's really such a shame the Biden administration saw fit to open the floodgates to millions of illegal immigrants in the first place. Let's not forget who bussed them all over the country, often in the dead of night. And now the Trump administration is left to clean up this disaster.


Why do you keep repeating these lies? Biden complied with American and International law where asylum is concerned. He asked for and created bi-partisam legislation to deal with the issue more expediently and Trump got the GOP to reject their own legislation. Now he is using that same lack of judges to flaunt US and International law.

And people like you fall for it.


CBP One App was not required under international law. Millions and millions. It was treason. I want to know who decided we should create a phone app to facilitate an invasion of unskilled, unvetted migrants? That person should be tried for treason. Seriously.


You know what, go ahead and accuse "that person" of treason. It is utterly nonsense and you will be laughed at and scolded for wasting people's time, but I applaud you for FINALLY using our existing legal channels. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING.


What was the purpose other than to destabilize America and facilitate her destruction? As it was summarily stopped and deactivates as an App it was clearly not required by any law, so what was the point? And who developed the App and implemented it?


Let me repeat: I am for the Constitution and the rule of law. Are you??? Pick a lane.



Article 4 it is the Presidents job to control the borders from invasion. An influx that overwhelms our civilian infrastructure to deal with such can only be construed as an invasion.


Democrats were against the Constitution before they were for it. They hate the Bill of Rights and are eager to ban speech, ban guns, and ban privacy. They hate the electoral college and are eager to ignore that part of the Constitution.


Yes. There are parts on the Constitution both parties take issue with. Maybe it’s time for a new Constitutional convention and a compromise that includes gun regulation, popular vote and the end of birthright citizenship.

In the meantime, the Constitution is what it is. Please point to specific examples of Democrats ignoring electoral college results (that would be Trump who tried that, BTW), and seizing your semi automatic weapons. I have no idea what you mean by ignoring privacy rights— Republicans say those don’t exist under the Constitution, and got rid of Roe v Wade on that basis. And want to get rid of contraception, gay marriage and other rights that fall under the constitutional concept of privacy. Dems are also not the ones who gave Elon Musk full access to all the information the government has on you to train his AI and sell to the highest bidder. MAGA ranting about Dems not respecting privacy while Trump lets Elon pilfer our data for his private gain is nauseating. As to free speech, also not interested in hearing about it while Trump is actively trying to destroy colleges because student spoke out against a genocide by Israel. And very interested to hear who has been punished for free speech under Biden.

It’s okay to disagree with the Constitution. Dems and Rs both do. It’s okay to criticize parts of it and advocate for change. Both parties do. And 1A allows this. It’s not okay to just ignore the parts you don’t like. And if Dems did this, and ignored the electoral college, like you claim, then HRC would have been our 45th President. Or put the country through months of lawsuits and an insurrection, like Trump did— rather than conceding on the day after the election, which she did.

You’re full of sh-t.

Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:29     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

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Anonymous wrote:Well. The SC has said otherwise. So we will have a genuine Constitutional crisis and Trump will not win. Grounds for impeachment and there just might be enough Republicans who want to keep our democracy as d who will vote with Dems.


Yes. This is the issue. If he doesn’t think migrants should have a hearing then change the law. Right now he is breaking it.


And in fact, it’s more than changing the law. It’s changing the Constitution. And you and Trump are going to just ignore the parts of the Constitution you don’t like, I expect the next Dem President to criminalize all guns not designed for hunting, and start arresting people who don’t turn them in. Unconstitutional you say? Yeah— that’s the point.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2025 11:17     Subject: Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous wrote:Every migrant deserves a long jury trial and multiple appeals. I don’t care if they snuck over the border last week. We owe these people their rights. I don’t care how long it takes or what it costs. We owe these people.


Okay virtually no migrants get a jury trial and multiple appeals. They get a brief hearing before an ALJ. Why does it take so long? Ask Trump, who keeps firing ALJs.