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Anonymous wrote:Do any dcurbanmoms agree that Democrats should consider apologizing for a few things (like calling swing voters stupid racists) and trying to do a reset with swing voters? Or no? So far we’re running 100% against that idea. Does anyone think it could help? Or do we stick to our guns?

Neither. We should just change messaging and move on.

Change messaging to what? Change any policies, or no?

Obviously we need to back off from the modern rhetoric of DEI and go back to what won the civil rights struggle that all people are equal under the law. We need to stop splitting people up by identity and promote class unity. It’s so freaking obvious but I feel like I am screaming into the void while the black lady and white lady above snipe at eachother about their race. So stupid. With friends like these who needs enemies?

Republicans control that narrative, not dems. People aren't actually interested in class consciousness either, too socialist. When dems talk about taxing the rich, they're crazy, don't understand the economy, and are whackos who hate America and want it to be poor. When repubs talk about draining the middle class and democrat donors, they're draining the swamp, ridding corruption, and eliminating the waste.

Not entirely. We set it up for them and they spiked the ball. Believe me or not but I live in a very progressive neighborhood and I am a full-on progressive but the rhetoric back in 2020/21 was so ignorant and divisive even for me. People literally were screamed at by roving mobs of self professed progressives because they had white skin while eating lunch outside. Trainings where the history of white oppression was outlined and any white people were directly told to not speak and take a back seat. That will never work. Ever. People are equal or else they will fight one another for power. That’s a fact of life that we need to understand. We need a positive and inclusive message NOT negative and identity based exclusivity.

I'm a black dude. Your narrative sounds, frankly, like a white guy upset that people aren't kind to white guys. I don't care. No one cares. Be colorblind, no one is stopping you. Be racist, no one is stopping you-it's currently encouraged. Just stop making everything about how black people are making your message worse, we get it, you don't like us and want to scrub racism under the rug to prioritize manufacturing workers in Pennsylvania who don't give a rat's a$$ about you.

See now there it is. I never said anything of the sort. Yes of course it’s a problem if people are not “kind to white guys” just like it’s a problem of white pepper are not “kind to black guys. Why is that such a difficult concept? Don’t you want to be treated like an individual rather than a stereotype?

I'm not treated like either, though you want to create this narrative that it is an issue for me. I went to college, I have a masters, I'm in the top 10% of American incomes. The people who supported me along the way were conscious of the fight it took and the realities of being black in America. The ones who pretend race didn't matter were lazy, often previously wealthy, and were people who gained a lot from the system and needed to plug their ears to justify their opinions. It is an objective fact that black Americans, on average, do worse in American society across the board; if you can't believe that and need to go into psychosis about colorblindness and all men being equal to live on, great but its not real. I'm tired of white men lecturing about how we are too stupid to see the obvious choice to treat everyone the same-no $hit, we've been saying that for nearly 80 years now, but it Isn't born into reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon Stewart is ridiculing Dem leadership.
People want to dump Schumer for caving.
What would be an attack plan that makes sense?
I almost wish we had a parliamentary system right now, a dozen parties and coalitions forming and reforming.

I think what the Democratic leadership is implying is that Trump’s approval has to fall below 40 percent and, ideally, 30 percent for them to do a lot.

The problem is that liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc. have been divided by Russian or Republican manipulation, too, and mostly refuse to acknowledge that.

We’re not taking the Trump threat seriously.

We’re blaming each other, saying we want to eject this or that flawed person, wanting to refuse aid from billionaires, wanting to refuse ties with PACs or big business, and making many other idiotic, self-destructive decisions.

If Trump is really a dictator, we have to focus on that issue, cast aside ordinary policy differences and unite to fight things like the administration ignoring routine court rulings.

If we have to unite with people who hate abortion or love tax breaks but who also support free elections, the rule of law and peaceful resolution of disputes, we have to hold our noses and get in a big tent with those folks.

And, in addition to welcoming AOC and Rashida Tlaib with enthusiastic love, we have to find arguments that appeal to independents and persuadable Republicans, not revel in arguments that we like.

We can cling to what we believe and not water that down, but we have to stop the nuclear bomb that’s going off now before we focus on other issues and wall ourselves off from people who disagree about those issues.

And most of the people in the center and in the left disagreeing with this are simply targets of disinformation aimed at us instead of the Republicans are. Until we understand that we’re manipulated, too, we have no hope of fighting back. If you’re raging about the suggestion that we should unite with jerks, then you’re as much a part of the problem as the people in MAGA caps. You’re just the blue version of them.

I will never unite with pro-lifers, bible beaters, or transphobes for any reason. Trump himself is less of a problem than people who believe some of this filth.

Why can’t you live and let live as long as the other side does the same? Isn’t that the basis of our country?

Because I don’t want people judging me. Not for my abortion, not for my atheism, and not for my sexuality. They are the ones all up in MY business with their judgments.

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Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.

People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.

Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.

The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change

Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.

People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.

Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.

Anonymous wrote:Find a decent middle of the road liberal, someone younger without any extreme ideas. They need to stop focusing on trump and move into the future.

Anonymous wrote:Any proof of this “whites screamed at for eating outside” nonsense?

Sorry, not buying it

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats should hand policy making and messaging over to black dudes, especially black dude who have been to church st least a few times. As racist as people can be, swing voters are way less angry at black dudes than at AWFLs (affluent white female liberals). Black dudes didn’t hassle us during Covid and don’t push “migrants” and “trans folks” NEARLY as much as upper middle class striver women do. AWFLs keep blaming swing voters for being racist or transphobic or whatever. When the truth is that they are sick of listening to preening liberal white people.

Raphael Warnock is a good example. Obama was another. Generally, people like black dudes a lot more than white women.

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Anonymous wrote:I love elimination of all the fraud, waste and abuse. There should be more cuts to federal spending. More fat can be trimmed.

Can you identify evidence for the bolded?
What ethical actions are you seeing that are to be celebrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Jon Stewart is ridiculing Dem leadership.
People want to dump Schumer for caving.
What would be an attack plan that makes sense?
I almost wish we had a parliamentary system right now, a dozen parties and coalitions forming and reforming.

I think what the Democratic leadership is implying is that Trump’s approval has to fall below 40 percent and, ideally, 30 percent for them to do a lot.

The problem is that liberals, progressives, Democrats, etc. have been divided by Russian or Republican manipulation, too, and mostly refuse to acknowledge that.

We’re not taking the Trump threat seriously.

We’re blaming each other, saying we want to eject this or that flawed person, wanting to refuse aid from billionaires, wanting to refuse ties with PACs or big business, and making many other idiotic, self-destructive decisions.

If Trump is really a dictator, we have to focus on that issue, cast aside ordinary policy differences and unite to fight things like the administration ignoring routine court rulings.

If we have to unite with people who hate abortion or love tax breaks but who also support free elections, the rule of law and peaceful resolution of disputes, we have to hold our noses and get in a big tent with those folks.

And, in addition to welcoming AOC and Rashida Tlaib with enthusiastic love, we have to find arguments that appeal to independents and persuadable Republicans, not revel in arguments that we like.

We can cling to what we believe and not water that down, but we have to stop the nuclear bomb that’s going off now before we focus on other issues and wall ourselves off from people who disagree about those issues.

And most of the people in the center and in the left disagreeing with this are simply targets of disinformation aimed at us instead of the Republicans are. Until we understand that we’re manipulated, too, we have no hope of fighting back. If you’re raging about the suggestion that we should unite with jerks, then you’re as much a part of the problem as the people in MAGA caps. You’re just the blue version of them.

I will never unite with pro-lifers, bible beaters, or transphobes for any reason. Trump himself is less of a problem than people who believe some of this filth.

Why can’t you live and let live as long as the other side does the same? Isn’t that the basis of our country?

Anonymous wrote:Democrats should hand policy making and messaging over to black dudes, especially black dude who have been to church st least a few times. As racist as people can be, swing voters are way less angry at black dudes than at AWFLs (affluent white female liberals). Black dudes didn’t hassle us during Covid and don’t push “migrants” and “trans folks” NEARLY as much as upper middle class striver women do. AWFLs keep blaming swing voters for being racist or transphobic or whatever. When the truth is that they are sick of listening to preening liberal white people.