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Anonymous wrote:I'm a private investigator whose primary clients are hedge funds. Business is very good for now. My wife works in PR; her clients are primarily corporations.

+1. My DH is a law firm partner whose clients are the above. Even if some clients leave/shrink/disappear, that's highly unlikely to happen to all of them.

If courts are successfully destroyed as per step 3 of Curtis Yarvin's plan, lawyers become unnecessary.

You do know that 99% of lawyers have nothing to do with courts right? They work with private clients.

If private clients are not earning money, how will they pay $300/hour for lawyers?

Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

The six-step plan.

Butterfly Revolution

Step 1: Campaign on Autocracy
Step 2: Purge the Bureaucracy
Step 3: Ignore the Courts
Step 4: Co-Opt the Congress
Step 5: Centralise Police and Powers
Step 6: Shut Down Elite Media and Academic Institutions
Step 7: Turn Out the People

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no

Good luck to you.

Anonymous wrote:To the above poster:

You realize the vast majority of people didn't die of Covid or even get very sick, didn't lose their jobs and saw their investments and home values go through the roof. So it actually ended up fine.

sure, except for the 1.5 million excess deaths and commercial real estate failure. and of course the recession was primarily averted by direct stimulus-- again the velocity of money.

To the above poster:

You realize the vast majority of people didn't die of Covid or even get very sick, didn't lose their jobs and saw their investments and home values go through the roof. So it actually ended up fine.

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Anonymous wrote:Even nurses could be affected. Half of all nursing care in the US is paid for by Medicaid. If Medicaid is slashed, undoubtedly many nurses will lose their jobs.

Really?

medicare/medicaid. But the R budget plan is to cut nearly 1 *trillion* from medicare/medicaid. There are going to be even more hospital and nursing home closures, especially in rural areas.

Our whole economy ultimately rests on the velocity of money. If it's circulating, wobbles can be dealt with. When it's circulated through the working class, most of it goes straight back into the economy: where an NIH grant funds a research department at a university, that in turn employs a few dozen people in research and computing and admin and post-docs and building services, who then go home and buy groceries and pay dog walkers and babysitters and hair stylists and bartenders, who themselves go home and spend money on doordash and peloton and meal prep and pizza and everyone buys stuff from target and walmart and amazon.... you circulate that money into a billionaires bank account, and that's basically where it stays.

so yeah, sure, you "saved" the federal government $5 million by axing that grant. In return you 1) trashed the research, and then 2) probably eliminated $15 million in economic output, and then those people don't have income to pay taxes on either. Cancelled grant by grant, contract by contract-- all originally voted on and authorized and directed by congress, btw-- that cascades into a recession. Then all those people start spending as little as possible, and stop paying the mortgage or rent, and try to take cash out of the bank, cash the banks don't actually have on hand because they lend all they have on the books, and then you have a banking crisis. Oh, and you add tariffs for the raw materials like steel and timber and plastic and everything gets more expensive, and what manufacturing we do have collapses because no one is buying.

anyway. yeah, just like covid. so just like you could see the dire economic consequences of covid in NYC's chinatown in late january 2020, and the freezer trucks of dead people in March, and rump declared that it would be over by Easter-- instead, it just kept rippling outward. Just because this is hitting DC first doesn't mean it's not going to get to the rest of the country. 85% of federal workers are outside the DC-baltimore-nova corridor. And to be clear, the billionaires WANT the dollar to collapse, temporarily. Musk told you it's going to happen. They want housing to collapse. They'll be able to buy it all up for cheap. And no one will have advance warnings of bird flu, or hurricanes, or tornadoes, because the NIH and CDC and FEMA and NOAA will have all been neutered.

Enjoy.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

Yes but that’s just because we are the canaries in the coal mine.

in all seriousness, what is your plan?

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

Yes but that’s just because we are the canaries in the coal mine.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

I’m in another major metro area and a similar vibe here.

I live just in Loudoun County and yes we have some fed workers around, but the for most people the commute to DC is too far from here so we don't really have that many. Things are largely just carrying on as usual out here too. I went out today for errands, stores and restaurants are as full as ever.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

I’m in another major metro area and a similar vibe here.

That must be why consumer confidence is cratering.

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Anonymous wrote:Look I am as anti Trump as they get and some of you have just gone over the edge with the paranoia.

+1 reminds me of the beginning of COVID.

Agree

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

Please don't take it as indicative of all feds. A lot of us has moved in and out of sectors. It is true that what is happening is very traumatizing (on purpose!) and it seems all-consuming, particularly to those in heavily-impacted agencies (e.g., USAID). They are (occasionally joined by myself) having normal reactions to truly abnormal circumstances.

What I don't like is when they feed each other's (and my own) hopelessness, and start discussing suicide. This isn't going to help anyone, least of all themselves.

Agree with all this too.

Listen, as I said, I get why people are spiraling. This is extremely traumatic. I would be taking on incredibly stress from this experience too. And i get why the feds are all talking to each other, and getting on this forum. It is helpful to have a sounding board. And I get why, for them, it feels like the entire world is imploding.

But just because their reaction and feelings are totally valid does not actually make it true that the entire world is imploding. It just feels that way to them, and their feelings are valid and normal feelings given the trauma they are suffering.

But the world is not exploding outside of DC. If i asked my neighbors here in my SE state, I suspect most of them would not even be aware that anything is happening in DC other than "Musk is cutting govt waste", which for the vast majority of the country (even democrats outside of DC) is superficially understood to be a "good thing". The mood is actually quite good here.

I’m in another major metro area and a similar vibe here.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

This is my read on it too. They have never experienced any job loss or uncertainty and don't know how to handle it.

NP - FFS, can we please stop drawing parallels to job loss and uncertainty with what is happening now? We are witnessing people who have sworn an oath to defend the constitution flagrantly violating that oath, while going out of their way to make the lives of civil servants a living hell. That’s not “job loss or uncertainty.” Acting like these things are apples and oranges is also detached from reality.

Anonymous wrote:Even nurses could be affected. Half of all nursing care in the US is paid for by Medicaid. If Medicaid is slashed, undoubtedly many nurses will lose their jobs.

Really?

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I think there are 15 regular fed posters on the jobs forum, and i've been watching their downward spiral into delusion over the last 2 months. Listen, I totally get why they are spiraling. I probably would too. But it is still detached from reality, and they're feeding off each other in this forum.

I think I’m one of those people and to be honest the reality check is helpful. I’ve gotta get off this site!

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Anonymous wrote:I do wonder if it is just one person answering every single post in this thread with a negative outlook. That person seems pretty assured of their vision, but I don't think that DOGE cuts are actually causing the next Great Depression.

I lived through a collapse of the federal govt in USSR in 90's. It was ugly for everyone and will affect all of us because things provided by a stable government are not that easily visible until they become unavailable. Most people are just so "me, me, me" focused and lack any sort of historic perspective on how bad this shit can get if we let wealthy widen the wealth gap to the point were we live in a sort of Dickensian future. Go read Dickens or Steinbeck if you think it can never get bad in the western world. Bottom is limitless! "Boar on the floor" game, anyone!

I also lived in a former USSR state, and I think those of us that did are hearing a lot of alarm bells. There are differences, of course, but the similarities are starting to become concerning.

I agree that hopelessness can take on a form of spiraling, but ignorance of what's happening in your own government is dangerous. The eyerolls and the responses like "the rest of the country doesn't care about this" or "no one else is affected at all right now" responses are not very enlightening; of course a lot of people don't care about things until they are personally affected. This recession, which seems foregone by this point, is going to take some time to roll out. I truly hope that I am wrong, but I truly think many people who aren't paying attention at all right now will be personally affected by the end of this year. I want to be prepared and not caught off guard.

so you and the other PP from post-soviet countries mention 'being aware' and 'being prepared.' Being aware is not preparing. so what are you doing to 'prepare'?