Anonymous
02/17/2025 20:30
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!
However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.
https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf
I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:
"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.
I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.
I hate Elon, but why is this though? I read the report and drew the same conclusion, but it just seems odd that they cannot do a blanket code fix. I am not a programmer though.
The problem is that you can’t just write a script to fix code, you need to validate millions of pieces of underlying data, so you don’t mark Nana as dead when she is not.
Yes, this would involved human verification for millions records. Easily thousands of employees if you want to do this over a short-time period.
Every SS# with a dob >110 years old doesn't need to be validated, a blanket code fix can remove all these people. The 25 vampires who are still alive can file a claim. 15+ million records corrected. Problem partially solved. Bonus - people illegally using SS#s identified.
Doesn't understand archaic computer code. Sad.
Do tell
Anonymous
02/17/2025 20:11
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Friends on various social.media platforma are already reporting decreases in their Social security and SSDI payments.
Bs you are so full of it!
So many liars on here!
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:47
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Soylent Green is musk's blueprint!
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:37
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Well, it is happening now.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/17/doge-social-security-musk/
Imagine Elon turning this data over to the Chinese and Russians. NONE of our privacy, security - nothing, will be safe. And all of our banking and investment accounts are now at risk too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/17/doge-social-security-musk/
Imagine Elon turning this data over to the Chinese and Russians. NONE of our privacy, security - nothing, will be safe. And all of our banking and investment accounts are now at risk too.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:35
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:In 2020 they used the Big Lie (100s of misleading claims) of "voter fraud" to try to overturn an election. In 2024 they're using similar tactics to create/amplify misleading claims of "government waste and fraud" to justify dismantling huge sections of the U.S. government. From the same playbook...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-150-year-old-benefits/
Elon Musk is making wild claims that DOGE has found evidence of massive Social Security fraud....
The reality is that Musk's young engineers don't seem to be able to understand COBOL databases while Musk is misrepresenting the Social Security data.
The problem is, they "found" it and are going to "stop paying" and "go after the fraud" except given it's not real they won't actually save any money and people are going to realize that.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:35
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:In 2020 they used the Big Lie (100s of misleading claims) of "voter fraud" to try to overturn an election. In 2024 they're using similar tactics to create/amplify misleading claims of "government waste and fraud" to justify dismantling huge sections of the U.S. government. From the same playbook...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-150-year-old-benefits/
Elon Musk is making wild claims that DOGE has found evidence of massive Social Security fraud....
The reality is that Musk's young engineers don't seem to be able to understand COBOL databases while Musk is misrepresenting the Social Security data.
One of those same Sh**ler Youth kids also fired the nuclear employees that they are now scrambling to get back.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:29
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:We literally don't have this many people in the US
As discussed, this covers a lot of people who are dead but don't have death records. Also, Elmo should know that H1B and other workers are required to pay into SS and thus they also have a SS number.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:22
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Back in 2006 I worked for a pension agency in customer service. One day I got a call from a participant, a retired pastor, who was 101 years old and had not received his social security check. He wanted to make sure we knew he was still alive so he would still receive his monthly church pension checks.
His children were working with SS to reinstate his SS checks, and it was the second or third time it happened, so evidently they had a system in place that would stop payments after a certain age unless he responded to the letter they sent. I do wonder what kind of evidence SS wanted to document that he was still living.
His children were working with SS to reinstate his SS checks, and it was the second or third time it happened, so evidently they had a system in place that would stop payments after a certain age unless he responded to the letter they sent. I do wonder what kind of evidence SS wanted to document that he was still living.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 19:08
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
We literally don't have this many people in the US
Anonymous
02/17/2025 18:58
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!
However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.
https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf
I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:
"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.
I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.
I hate Elon, but why is this though? I read the report and drew the same conclusion, but it just seems odd that they cannot do a blanket code fix. I am not a programmer though.
The problem is that you can’t just write a script to fix code, you need to validate millions of pieces of underlying data, so you don’t mark Nana as dead when she is not.
Yes, this would involved human verification for millions records. Easily thousands of employees if you want to do this over a short-time period.
Every SS# with a dob >110 years old doesn't need to be validated, a blanket code fix can remove all these people. The 25 vampires who are still alive can file a claim. 15+ million records corrected. Problem partially solved. Bonus - people illegally using SS#s identified.
Doesn't understand archaic computer code. Sad.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 18:57
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
In 2020 they used the Big Lie (100s of misleading claims) of "voter fraud" to try to overturn an election. In 2024 they're using similar tactics to create/amplify misleading claims of "government waste and fraud" to justify dismantling huge sections of the U.S. government. From the same playbook...
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-150-year-old-benefits/
Elon Musk is making wild claims that DOGE has found evidence of massive Social Security fraud....
The reality is that Musk's young engineers don't seem to be able to understand COBOL databases while Musk is misrepresenting the Social Security data.
https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-doge-social-security-150-year-old-benefits/
Elon Musk is making wild claims that DOGE has found evidence of massive Social Security fraud....
The reality is that Musk's young engineers don't seem to be able to understand COBOL databases while Musk is misrepresenting the Social Security data.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 17:49
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!
However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.
https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf
I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:
"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.
I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.
This. It isn't worth the time to make the fix because it doesn't impact the operations of the systems. At some point currently or in the future, the systems will be upgraded from the COBAL environment to something newer, so why not use the regular federal procurement process to guide the requirements and implementation?
A terrible excuse!
Why? Do you want to pay people at a rate of $150 an hour to delete/update individual tables for data that otherwise has zero impact on the integrity of the system? If the goal is to save money, then why have that as an expenditure?
$150?! Talk about overpaid!
Ehh. I’m a 13/10 in the DMV and end o up on a lot of details like this because I’ve been with SSA long time and 76er stand the systems. I earn just under $157, which is $76 and hour. But because I am on high priority special projects, I have a lot of overtime offered at $113 an hour. Add in my pension, healthcare, TSP match, FICA match etc and it’s probably close.
And yes, it takes woolen with knowledge and not just Big Balls to accurately do a project like this.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 17:47
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait, what? The cost of correcting a DATA TABLE is 'cost prohibitive'? What kind of Rube Goldberg machine are they running over there!Anonymous wrote:Anybody looking at these numbers for more than 10 min with a critical thinking hat on should know these are just the number of SS accounts currently active. But Elon misrepresents this as the number of people in each age bracket who are currently receiving payments, so everyone in the comments and even Faux News is OMG there's massive fraud!
However, OIG already did a report on this several years ago in which they concluded the cost associated with marking the dead people as dead was cost prohibitive as only a few age 100+ were actually receiving any benefits. The people in question either died decades ago and were not reported, or had been issued multiple SS numbers and only one was marked as deceased.
https://oig.ssa.gov/assets/uploads/a-06-21-51022.pdf
I'm beginning to understand the other thing Musk tweeted:
"The logic flow diagram for the Social Security system looks INSANE. No one person actually knows how it works. The payment files that move between Social Security and Treasury have significant inconsistencies that are not reconciled. It’s wild," Musk declared in a post on X.
I don't work there but my impression from the OIG report was that people would have to go in individually to each file to mark someone dead. That pulls that person off other projects and costs money to pay them. Like others have said, Elon should probably take a moment to learn how the system operates before declaring mass fraud.
I hate Elon, but why is this though? I read the report and drew the same conclusion, but it just seems odd that they cannot do a blanket code fix. I am not a programmer though.
The problem is that you can’t just write a script to fix code, you need to validate millions of pieces of underlying data, so you don’t mark Nana as dead when she is not.
Yes, this would involved human verification for millions records. Easily thousands of employees if you want to do this over a short-time period.
Every SS# with a dob >110 years old doesn't need to be validated, a blanket code fix can remove all these people. The 25 vampires who are still alive can file a claim. 15+ million records corrected. Problem partially solved. Bonus - people illegally using SS#s identified.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 17:39
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Even one fraudulent welfare check is too many. I think we can all agree with that.
Errors and fraud will exist in any system. What percentage do you think is acceptable 1-2%?
Zero.
So why isn’t Elon shutting it all down? Why is letting them keep making these fraudulent payments?
Elmo’s lying. Almost none of the 130 year olds actually get money from SSA. They held two numbers, never tried to collect because they died before they could, had a placeholder entered into the data base etc. we aren’t payin* 3 million 120 to 130 year olds. We just haven’t killed their SSNs.
Anonymous
02/17/2025 17:39
Subject: Elon is coming for social security
My mother mentioned that to me just now. Hard to believe though.Anonymous wrote:Friends on various social.media platforma are already reporting decreases in their Social security and SSDI payments.