Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:44
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:A lot of families are in a terrible spot right now. I have decided not to take the Fork offer but I don’t blame anyone who does.
What do you mean by that?
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:38
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
I know people with 20+ years in but not 25 who would probably take it if Vera time was lowered to 20. It’s sad it’s people who all joined after 9/11 to help their nation and now may get fired and lose pension.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:35
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:My relative that I just spoke to says she and about 2 others are going to wait and take it. There is another person who has been on and off on leave taking care of their sick spouse wants to as well. They aren't looking at it as a negative thing but something that gives them time to move on to the next stage of their lives.
None of this happened
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:35
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
WaPo reporting that 40,000 have taken the fork so far.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:27
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
My relative that I just spoke to says she and about 2 others are going to wait and take it. There is another person who has been on and off on leave taking care of their sick spouse wants to as well. They aren't looking at it as a negative thing but something that gives them time to move on to the next stage of their lives.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:26
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:The emails are getting increasingly desperate. Getting a couple a day now. Like they are trying to sell us a time share. That should tell you all you need to know.
Is there another one tonight?
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:25
Subject: Re:Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My agency had a Fork q&A meeting with our human capital officer. All the questions from people who were considering the offer were asking questions about maximizing their options given a pending retirement.
I left the meeting convinced all it will do is pay people who are retiring anyway to hang out.
Yes, that's absolutely the case. They should have just offered the VERA alone-- it would have been cheaper.
Not if they don’t intend to pay anyone once funding runs out. You are putting a lot of trust in Congress.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:23
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
The emails are getting increasingly desperate. Getting a couple a day now. Like they are trying to sell us a time share. That should tell you all you need to know.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:23
Subject: Re:Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:My agency had a Fork q&A meeting with our human capital officer. All the questions from people who were considering the offer were asking questions about maximizing their options given a pending retirement.
I left the meeting convinced all it will do is pay people who are retiring anyway to hang out.
Yes, that's absolutely the case. They should have just offered the VERA alone-- it would have been cheaper.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:23
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:They will have to fire me if they want me out.
They will. As early as next week maybe.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:20
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
A lot of families are in a terrible spot right now. I have decided not to take the Fork offer but I don’t blame anyone who does.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:18
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
They will have to fire me if they want me out.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:12
Subject: Re:Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
My agency had a Fork q&A meeting with our human capital officer. All the questions from people who were considering the offer were asking questions about maximizing their options given a pending retirement.
I left the meeting convinced all it will do is pay people who are retiring anyway to hang out.
I left the meeting convinced all it will do is pay people who are retiring anyway to hang out.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:10
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
Anonymous wrote:I don’t think enough feds realize there is case law on this. The Supreme Court said that even if you receive erroneous information from government staff, the government can’t pay you if the payment isn’t legal.
Not part of this case, but based on other situations. I would not be surprised that if these payments are ruled illegal at some future point, the folk who received them will be required to pay them back with interest.
“Held: Payments of money from the Federal Treasury are limited to those authorized by statute, and erroneous advice given by a Government employee to a benefit claimant cannot estop the Government from denying benefits not otherwise permitted by law. Pp. 496 U. S. 419-434.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/414/#tab-opinion-1958346
such a good point.
The fact is that this was a completely nonsensical way to go about reducing the federal workforce. I try to stay away from nonsensical situations.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 21:09
Subject: Fork - who is waiting until Thursday to decide?
I don’t think enough feds realize there is case law on this. The Supreme Court said that even if you receive erroneous information from government staff, the government can’t pay you if the payment isn’t legal.
Not part of this case, but based on other situations. I would not be surprised that if these payments are ruled illegal at some future point, the folk who received them will be required to pay them back with interest.
“Held: Payments of money from the Federal Treasury are limited to those authorized by statute, and erroneous advice given by a Government employee to a benefit claimant cannot estop the Government from denying benefits not otherwise permitted by law. Pp. 496 U. S. 419-434.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/414/#tab-opinion-1958346
Not part of this case, but based on other situations. I would not be surprised that if these payments are ruled illegal at some future point, the folk who received them will be required to pay them back with interest.
“Held: Payments of money from the Federal Treasury are limited to those authorized by statute, and erroneous advice given by a Government employee to a benefit claimant cannot estop the Government from denying benefits not otherwise permitted by law. Pp. 496 U. S. 419-434.”
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/496/414/#tab-opinion-1958346