Anonymous
01/26/2025 15:21
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is asked over and over every week.
Ivy+ has a fairly consistent definition based on studies using that term and defining it as The 8 ivies plusMIT Stanford Duke Uchicago. Most people would add the perennial T10 schools Caltech, Northwestern, Hopkins. Thats the T-15. After that using traditional strength of student body ranking the rest of the T25 are:
UCB, WashU, Rice, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, CMU, UCLA, Mich, UVa, ordered variously based on personal preference and bias but basically everyone agrees these are the 16-25 group of schools.
No we don't, Emory is T25, UVA (and maybe Umich) are not. Emory has been Top 20 for years while UVA has never been.
And you see how dumb that is? There are way, way more than 25 excellent universities in this huge country where, on average, over 2.4 million first-year students enter college every year.
It's not.dumb at all if DCUM members were intellectually honest. It has a knack for disrespecting Emory and a few others schools for the sake of UVa, Georgetown, Umich etc when they're ranked the same currently and historically Emory is ranked higher. That doesn't even include global rankings or even parchment where Emory does better to much better. We all know why the sentiment against Emory exists. If it wasn't in Atlanta it wouldn't be treated that way. Thats all I'll say.
Emory does get bashed quite a bit on this forum. It’s Southern, it doesn’t have big-time sports, it’s seen as an Ivy reject school for kids from the Northeast, and there aren’t a lot of “household name” famous people who have gone to Emory. It is what it is…unfortunately, some people can’t look past those things to appreciate what it does offer.
Those other schools are also ivy rejects, and Kenneth Cole, Newt Gingrich, Scooter Brawn, are household names. Does WashU have household names? Just curious.
Two problems here. If Scooter Brawn is a household name, you'd know his name was spelled Braun. and second LMAO - that is not an endorsement for Emory!
Anonymous
01/26/2025 15:13
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Parents and students also would think that hence, it has lower acceptance rate and huger yield rate even without ED than Emory.
And USC has lower test scores. Emory has a wealthier students body. Emory has better per capita placement into Wallstreet, medschool and elite grad schools. Would USC's yeild be high if it wasn't in LA?
Anonymous
01/26/2025 15:09
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Most people are not elite themselves to be able to get into any of these schools. It's also dependent on income and class. Private school students will quickly think Emory and UCLA are more prestigious. Here's Based an example...
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/s/0cxYjK3aEU
For US news reputation scores, UCLA and Emory/UVA are seen more favorably than NYU and USC (4.4, 4.2, 4.0, 3.9 respectively). Emory/UVA have more impressive graduates and Lastly, Emory has more elite peers schools than NYU and USC when looking at which schools choose each other as peers.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/who-does-your-college-think-its-peers-are?sra=true
Anonymous
01/26/2025 14:28
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally, I reckon most people would think of USC as being the school in Columbia. And for darn sure wouldn't consider the USC in California to be more prestigious than UVA, NYU, UCLA, or Emory for that matter.
Anonymous
01/26/2025 12:42
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think of T25 as all the ivies
Duke Chicago Northwestern Vandy Rice etc
UCLA UMich Cal
Emory and UVA Georgetown
I think of USC and NYU UNC and UT Austin as top 30, don’t care what the current rankings say.
I don’t think UCSB or any other UC is T30 - at all. Again don’t care what the current rankings say. UF and UGA are probably ranked rn but I don’t think of them that way. Sorry not sorry
Only Virginians insist UVA is more
prestigious than USC or NYU
I’m from NY. Trust me UVA is considered more prestigious than USC and NYU.
We trust that you are out of date. UVA and NYU are in the same AAA ballpark. USC is now in the majors. Only one of these schools does not have ED — and still has a minuscule acceptance rate. Kids are now voting with their feet: watch the soles of their shoes as they leave you in the dust for the West.
You keep trying to claim these views are out of date but they really aren’t.
Anonymous
01/26/2025 11:27
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think of T25 as all the ivies
Duke Chicago Northwestern Vandy Rice etc
UCLA UMich Cal
Emory and UVA Georgetown
I think of USC and NYU UNC and UT Austin as top 30, don’t care what the current rankings say.
I don’t think UCSB or any other UC is T30 - at all. Again don’t care what the current rankings say. UF and UGA are probably ranked rn but I don’t think of them that way. Sorry not sorry
Only Virginians insist UVA is more
prestigious than USC or NYU
I’m from NY. Trust me UVA is considered more prestigious than USC and NYU.
We trust that you are out of date. UVA and NYU are in the same AAA ballpark. USC is now in the majors. Only one of these schools does not have ED — and still has a minuscule acceptance rate. Kids are now voting with their feet: watch the soles of their shoes as they leave you in the dust for the West.
Anonymous
01/26/2025 11:14
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Parents and students also would think that hence, it has lower acceptance rate and huger yield rate even without ED than Emory.
NYU and Northeastern also have lower acceptance rate and higher yield rate than Emory and UVA(even for a relatively highly ranked state flagship).
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:58
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
They are likely saying either 1) USNWR rankings (but there is ambiguity there because there are both national university and national liberal arts college rankings) or 2) whatever they think top 25 might be (which could include an amalgam of multiple rankings or their own viewpoint).
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:38
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Parents and students also would think that hence, it has lower acceptance rate and huger yield rate even without ED than Emory.
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:37
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Employers > most people
Okay but this is a totally different argument now from what was originally claimed.
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:34
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Employers > most people
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:33
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
While U.S. News offers rankings specific to particular categories, other sources, such as WalletHub', offer general rankings inclusive of undergraduate colleges and universities.
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/college-rankings/40750
https://wallethub.com/edu/e/college-rankings/40750
Anonymous
01/26/2025 10:31
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Yes, but employers are not “most people.”
Anonymous
01/26/2025 09:50
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nationally most people would think NYU and USC are more prestigious than UVA. Not many would think UCLA and Emroy are more prestigious than NYU or USC.
Nationally most people would think of USC because of football.
Only if you still live in the 1980s
Nationally this is how employers would think of USC for example,
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-engineering
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech
https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking
Anonymous
01/26/2025 09:40
Subject: When people refer to top 20 and top 25 schools what are they?
Comparing Emory/USC/UCLA/NYU to one another, is like comparing apples to oranges to grapes. Each school has a distinct mission/vibe/offerings. That’s one reason why most rankings should be taken with a grain of salt. Better to rank specific programs/majors. Emory is great but there are dozens of lower-ranked places that are better/more appropriate for a comp sci/engineering major.