We have one dog who does well with being out 24/7 our other dog gets crated (he’s 30lbs and has an enormous crate, the largest type) when we leave the house. If we crate him, he lays in his blanket in his bed and sleeps. If we leave him out while we are gone, he sits (does not sleep) at alert on the rug by the door and is strung out and crazy when we get back. Crating him is much better because he doesn’t even realize we have left.

I love crate training, and think all dogs benefit from having their own "safe space". Too many parents allow their kids to bug dogs while they are sleeping, eating, etc. My dogs have their crates as their "room". If they are in there, everyone leaves them alone. Its their den!

Anonymous wrote:Finnish Act
https://finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/2023/20230693#Pidm46434449895648

This doesn't say what you allege it says (or I didn't see it; feel free to cite it, if it's there). It gives general instruction about the requirements for animal shelter that are basically the same as standard crate and care requirements in the states: "The animal must be able to stand and rest in its natural position in its enclosure and to change position without difficulty. Animals kept in the same enclosure must have the opportunity to rest at the same time."

"Enclosure" refers to an enclosed space (i.e. there's a roof and a door), like a crate would have. I feel like, if "no doors" were the actual law, they would've spelled it out. It says nothing about that, yet it's pretty freaking specific about... a lot of things

"Section 14
Sexual intercourse with an animal
A person may not have sexual intercourse with an animal. In this Act, sexual intercourse means penetration of an animal's body with a human genital organ or the genital organ or anus of an animal, or the insertion of an animal's genital organ into a human body. However, the provisions of subsection 1 do not prevent a measure that is necessary for veterinary or breeding reasons or for another similar acceptable reason."

So, basically, you're on some BS. Like I said previously.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

This is not a citation. This is an anonymous post on an anon board, devoid of citation. Code? Section number? Name of the law(s) you're allegedly citing?

https://jordbruksverket.se/djur/hundar-katter-och-smadjur/hundar/sa-skoter-du-din-hund

"If your dog is in a playpen all day, you should walk it in another place so that it can get outside the playpen at least once a day." It gets to walk "outside the playpen" once a day? That's all?

"If you keep your dog outdoors in sub-zero temperatures, you should make sure that it can drink enough water. In this case, you should give the dog water at least twice a day." Outdoors in sub-zero temps, and just water it twice a day?

"Examples of when you are allowed to keep your dog in smaller spaces than the rules state:

shorter trips in connection with holidays
staying in areas where dogs are not allowed, for example if you need to go into a store and shop
when traveling to and from exhibitions and staying at exhibitions
temporary events such as adoption days, competitions, tests or training for competitions
hunting and training with a dog including the time these activities take place
Training a puppy to be housebroken in a smaller enclosure."

Oh, you mean CRATE TRAINING.

But since we're here, check these out:

"You are responsible for what your dog does when it is in a public place. You must ensure that it does not disturb or scare people or other animals. If your dog injures someone or destroys something, you may be liable for compensation." Yeah. That. Interestingly, that's how it works here too, though you wouldn't know it from watching some of y'all with your "super friendly" dogs.

"No ban on individual breeds. There is no ban on keeping individual breeds in Sweden." Because breed bans are stupid and ineffective. Fascinating.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

That is insane and would disqualify 80% of pet owners in this country. Is that really what you want?

Lots of people do this and manage fine. They leave their dogs during the day in dog proofed rooms (if untrained) or free to roam in the house and they have a dog walker come once or twice to take the dog out. Many people all over the world don’t crate their puppies and dogs all day while at work and all night while they sleep. It is very possible to have a dog in the USA and treat it humanely, as they do in Sweden and in many areas of the world. The views on the benefits of keeping dogs crated on this thread represent a very very narrow range of views.

Nice attempt to imply that crate training is "inhumane". It's not. Things you disagree with aren't inherently bad or wrong.

Anonymous wrote:We've used crates for housetraining, that's it. Otherwise my dogs stayed in a playpen or corralled into a dogproofed room until they were old enough to not destroy the house and get into things (around 3 years), and now they have free roam of the house while we are gone.

Dogs can be safely confined without crates.

Hey, idiot! This is crate training. Textbook.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

Sounds like you can’t keep a dog inside. Every house or apartment is technically a confined space with a door.

Idiot.

It doesn’t translate quite the same but it means like a crate or any place they dont have room to freely move about. People in Sweden do use big pens indoors for puppies like people in the USA use with babies. Like this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145009331900 or you can find a bunch for babies on Amazon or at Walmart that work the same.

Lol. That might work for puppies/smaller dogs but my golden would've jumped over something like the link above by 9 months old.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

Sounds like you can’t keep a dog inside. Every house or apartment is technically a confined space with a door.

Idiot.

It doesn’t translate quite the same but it means like a crate or any place they dont have room to freely move about. People in Sweden do use big pens indoors for puppies like people in the USA use with babies. Like this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145009331900 or you can find a bunch for babies on Amazon or at Walmart that work the same.

Are you Swedish? As in, from Sweden?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Sweden:
You can not enclose your dog in any crate or confined space with a door. You can close off an open space (room or hall). The dog must be able to freely move around.

Dogs must have water available at all times.

You can not leave a dog unattended for more than six hours

You can not tie up or tether your dog indoors

You cannot use bark collars / shock collars.

Sounds like you can’t keep a dog inside. Every house or apartment is technically a confined space with a door.

Idiot.

It doesn’t translate quite the same but it means like a crate or any place they dont have room to freely move about. People in Sweden do use big pens indoors for puppies like people in the USA use with babies. Like this
https://www.ebay.com/itm/145009331900 or you can find a bunch for babies on Amazon or at Walmart that work the same.