Anonymous wrote:Michigan is right up there with UCLA academically. Berkeley is in its own niche.

Anonymous wrote:If you’re the Wisco booster, there’s never enough elite schools until Wisconsin makes in on there……

In all seriousness, Wisco is in fact a shitty school and has always been that way.

T25 cut off for elite status, that includes Cal, UCLA, Michigan, UNC, UVA in that order

Go blue baby

Anonymous wrote:This list is as good as any:

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Anonymous wrote:It's only on DCUM where Berkeley can be questioned as elite. If it isn't elite, I don't know what UVA would even be considered.

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Anonymous wrote:It's only on DCUM where Berkeley can be questioned as elite. If it isn't elite, I don't know what UVA would even be considered.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley, as purveyors of undergraduate education, are as similar as any two universities in the T50. You all are splitting hairs at an atomic level, and I hope that deep down you can acknowledge the navel-gazing silliness of this particular exercise.

As someone with children at Stanford and UCLA, all three of whom passed on Berkeley, I can share firsthand that the cross admissions data that everyone is well aware of (79/21 in favor of Stanford over Cal, and 64/36 in favor of UCLA over Cal) isn’t news to those of us who have been paying close attention for the past few decades.

Berkeley isn’t what it once was - people need to accept the reality of that fact.

I don't think this "reality check" is based in reality. Berkeley dominates graduate school rankings and continues to excel as the best public university for research and notable alumni. UCLA has a great quality of life though.

Really? How are you measuring “best public university for research”? Asking for friends at Michigan, UCLA, and Washington, among others.

Also, notable alumni … ? Q factors or what?

People here are incredibly dense. Berkeley has some of the most important faculty in any field you can name-Physics, English, Government, Sociology. Here's their H-indeces: https://research.com/university/university-of-california-berkeley. The school has dedicated parking spots for the Nobel laureates-22 to faculty 59 to researchers and alum. I really don't see how anyone's blinders are down so far they wouldn't be able to see that Berkeley is a leader in public institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:It's the Ivy League, plus Stanford, MIT, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, Hopkins, Caltech, and Berkeley.

Top publics like UCLA, UVA, UMich, and UNC are widely respected and regarded as terrific schools, but people wouldn't consider them "elite", per se.

^^^ thinks Berkeley is a private institution, and/or hasn’t paid attention to the last decade of public institution rankings.

They stated Berkeley is elite. It is certainly more elite than UCLA, even if UCLA is higher ranked. There's no way to explain the magnitude that Berkeley has had on science, culture, the humanities, etc. It is both a school that is esteemed in academia but also has great outcomes in industry.