Anonymous
12/02/2024 08:55
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:The main thing I notice about the “designer” clothing conversation is that people have are vicious in their judgment but I don’t think we really have a leg to stand on. It seems like we assign moral failing to brands above some spending level but I think it’s arbitrary and based in some deep dcum tribalism. People are substituting an upper middle class economic band for morality.
Like women on this site will be so mad about $900 Gucci sneakers but will have no problem with $150 Veja sneakers. But you can probably buy the same sneaker, from a utilitarian perspective, for $10 all over the world. And we can’t know how many sneakers people are buying. So why are we outraged at the $900 sneakers but not the $100 sneakers? It feels arbitrary.
I think it’s because considering the morality of our daily consumer habits would be overwhelming and exhausting. So it’s much easier to just consider anything within a band of our peer group to be morally acceptable but anything outside it to be frivolous or shallow. Harshly judging and gossiping about anything outside the band of “reasonable” reinforces the system. And it’s easy to focus on small, visible categories like clothing even though the differences are dwarfed by stuff like housing, where one person can spend $500k more than a neighbor/peer for a similar house and no one bats an eye.
But if we give it a little thought, I think we’re all being super lazy in our thinking.
You are 10000% right and it's one of the things that drives me nuts on DCUM (and, yes, I know it's on me that I am here enough to be driven nuts by anything). People attach such high moral value to THEIR preferred types of consumption and attach so much negative moral value to other people's preferred type of consumption. I feel like the "is it trashy to like horses?" types of threads really bring that out - and this is one of those types of threads.
You are not better than anyone else because you don't wear a recognizable bag or piece of jewelry. You just have different spending habits and taste. Your taste is not morally superior.
Except for mine, of course, because I mostly buy secondhand.
Anonymous
12/02/2024 08:49
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
OP, I’m not going to pile on, but instead, wish you a moment of feeling happy for yourself and your family and life situation. If you and your are happy and healthy you have a lot to be thankful for- get some nice silk pajamas on sale today and throw in the towel on feeling jealous.
Anonymous
12/02/2024 06:54
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
The main thing I notice about the “designer” clothing conversation is that people have are vicious in their judgment but I don’t think we really have a leg to stand on. It seems like we assign moral failing to brands above some spending level but I think it’s arbitrary and based in some deep dcum tribalism. People are substituting an upper middle class economic band for morality.
Like women on this site will be so mad about $900 Gucci sneakers but will have no problem with $150 Veja sneakers. But you can probably buy the same sneaker, from a utilitarian perspective, for $10 all over the world. And we can’t know how many sneakers people are buying. So why are we outraged at the $900 sneakers but not the $100 sneakers? It feels arbitrary.
I think it’s because considering the morality of our daily consumer habits would be overwhelming and exhausting. So it’s much easier to just consider anything within a band of our peer group to be morally acceptable but anything outside it to be frivolous or shallow. Harshly judging and gossiping about anything outside the band of “reasonable” reinforces the system. And it’s easy to focus on small, visible categories like clothing even though the differences are dwarfed by stuff like housing, where one person can spend $500k more than a neighbor/peer for a similar house and no one bats an eye.
But if we give it a little thought, I think we’re all being super lazy in our thinking.
Like women on this site will be so mad about $900 Gucci sneakers but will have no problem with $150 Veja sneakers. But you can probably buy the same sneaker, from a utilitarian perspective, for $10 all over the world. And we can’t know how many sneakers people are buying. So why are we outraged at the $900 sneakers but not the $100 sneakers? It feels arbitrary.
I think it’s because considering the morality of our daily consumer habits would be overwhelming and exhausting. So it’s much easier to just consider anything within a band of our peer group to be morally acceptable but anything outside it to be frivolous or shallow. Harshly judging and gossiping about anything outside the band of “reasonable” reinforces the system. And it’s easy to focus on small, visible categories like clothing even though the differences are dwarfed by stuff like housing, where one person can spend $500k more than a neighbor/peer for a similar house and no one bats an eye.
But if we give it a little thought, I think we’re all being super lazy in our thinking.
Anonymous
12/02/2024 06:35
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:I would just think it’s kind of gross b/c I am not into material consumption. And I don’t just mean designer stuff. I would feel similarly if someone showed up drowning in Walmart jewelry.
We as humans grossly overestimate the amount of goods we need and are killing the environment. I guess at least the designer stuff with hopefully last longer and be handed down unlike the cheap made in China crap so it’s somewhat better. But I also think rich people buying all this crap trickles down to people with less money trying to emulate it. I just sort of hate it all. I wish we valued other things.
But she is just one person so I wouldn’t lay the entire societal consumerism issue on her. She is a product of this society.
I feel the same. We should hang out!
Anonymous
12/02/2024 03:27
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those I know who wear designer all the time grew up without much and are very insecure and need to show off to feel better about themselves.
Those who grew up well off don't need to flaunt it.
That isn't my experience
Really?
Then let’s drill down.
The WASPy old money Rich absolutely do not show labels.
Other ethnicities tend to.
I know trust fund kids who went to Choate. They would never wear showy labels. Everything is very nice and well tailored, but most people can’t pinpoint brands.
In East Asia people tend to like showy designer stuff. The high end designer stores also curate younger styles. The culture has a preference for engineered stuff -
Design concepts, collectibles, even the desserts are super cute lol.
Good thing your waspy friends have low key approach to designer goods, good taste and great life. But we don’t feel we need to ask for their permission to enjoy what we enjoy😆
Anonymous
12/02/2024 00:15
Subject: Re:What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
NP. I genuinely don’t get it. Handbags are entirely uninteresting to me and I do not get the fascination. I think I have mild sensory issues or something because even a lot of high-end clothing is awful to the touch for me and I don’t like it on my skin. I wear leggings and soft shirts whenever I can. I don’t like most name-brand fancy clothes.
But it does not upset me. In fact I sort of like it when people go all out. Do your thing, Queen.
You know what I like? Five star hotels. I don’t tell people about it proactively, but when asked, I tell the truth. And I’m not going to apologize. I like my oceanfront Rosewood rooms or Four Seasons suites. So I get the desire for nice things, I just don’t understand why people buy designer clothes brands. But they might not understand why I spend so much on what works out to be a bed.
But it does not upset me. In fact I sort of like it when people go all out. Do your thing, Queen.
You know what I like? Five star hotels. I don’t tell people about it proactively, but when asked, I tell the truth. And I’m not going to apologize. I like my oceanfront Rosewood rooms or Four Seasons suites. So I get the desire for nice things, I just don’t understand why people buy designer clothes brands. But they might not understand why I spend so much on what works out to be a bed.
Anonymous
12/02/2024 00:13
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
No real taste or unique style
Insecure
Materialistic
Boring
Insecure
Materialistic
Boring
Anonymous
12/02/2024 00:01
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those I know who wear designer all the time grew up without much and are very insecure and need to show off to feel better about themselves.
Those who grew up well off don't need to flaunt it.
That isn't my experience
Really?
Then let’s drill down.
The WASPy old money Rich absolutely do not show labels.
Other ethnicities tend to.
I know trust fund kids who went to Choate. They would never wear showy labels. Everything is very nice and well tailored, but most people can’t pinpoint brands.
Some wealthy people do wear a lot of labels, some don't. All wealthy people aren't some Northeastern prep school stereotype. And even some of them do!
Personally? Deep down I judge people who wear a lot of labels because I don't. But life is too short to let that take over. Just lean into what they like, compliment it, move on. Sometimes people just think it's just fun to have stuff like that, nothing more, nothing deep seeded or horrible. Do your own thing.
(Also just for the record - "other ethnicities?" Check yourself please.)
Anonymous
12/01/2024 21:45
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:A lot of recognizable designer items may be high end dupes, keep that in mind. Now the best dupes are still kind of pricey - I’ve heard the best Hermes dupe bags can cost upwards of $600. And for that price I’d rather have a no name leather tote from Thursday or Portland Leather and maybe a new pair of shoes to go with it. But some people like the labels and the recognizable styles.
LOL
For the best Hermes dupes you’re looking at a grand, minimum, and two isn’t out of the question. You could get a very nice Chanel dupe for $600, though. Frankly, I think some factories are providing tighter QC than auth these days.
Anonymous
11/30/2024 19:51
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those I know who wear designer all the time grew up without much and are very insecure and need to show off to feel better about themselves.
Those who grew up well off don't need to flaunt it.
That isn't my experience
Really?
Then let’s drill down.
The WASPy old money Rich absolutely do not show labels.
Other ethnicities tend to.
I know trust fund kids who went to Choate. They would never wear showy labels. Everything is very nice and well tailored, but most people can’t pinpoint brands.
Heh WASPs who went to Choate aren't the only type of people who grew up rich, my friend. Get out of your bubble a little!
lol
Just one example, pp.
My bubble of old money rich people admittedly skews white and east coast (mostly northern with a few exceptions).
Young sorority girls go overboard with labels, but it’s typically a phase. Most women know better than to wear multiple showy labels (or anything obvious at all) by the time they reach 30.
So who are these people you see striving to wear multiple obvious luxury brands at the same time? Age, race, ethnicity, geographic region, and most importantly: new money, old money, or living beyond their means?
the ones i know best are my cousins, who are now in their 50s and 60s but who have dressed that way as long as i’ve known them. their dad was a big time neurosurgeon - he also grew up wealthy but not as wealthy as he became. it’s how a lot of people dress down the shore in new jersey. i’m sure they don’t count for you because they aren’t the sort of rich people you care for.
Anonymous
11/30/2024 19:23
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
I wouldn’t be able to recognize any of those brands so I Won’t be impressed or think anything of her.
Anonymous
11/30/2024 16:22
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
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This!
Anonymous wrote:Actually, I totally get it.
OP has been very resentful of her cousin, with all her nouveau riche ways, dripping Cartiers and Guccis all over the place.
So OP was LOOKING FORWARD to seeing a more contrite, modest, version of said cousin this year at Thanksgiving.
But no! OP has been denied the pleasure. The cousin, like any of us would do, walks in dressed the same! Because she had that stuff all along anyway, and why would she dress down just because she's lost her job?
So OP is SEETHING right now. She wanted to see come-uppance and didn't get it! Ugh, it's so infuriating when you can't gloat at your cousin's misery!
This!
Anonymous
11/30/2024 11:58
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
I just go on with my life.
Anonymous
11/30/2024 11:54
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
I would just think it’s kind of gross b/c I am not into material consumption. And I don’t just mean designer stuff. I would feel similarly if someone showed up drowning in Walmart jewelry.
We as humans grossly overestimate the amount of goods we need and are killing the environment. I guess at least the designer stuff with hopefully last longer and be handed down unlike the cheap made in China crap so it’s somewhat better. But I also think rich people buying all this crap trickles down to people with less money trying to emulate it. I just sort of hate it all. I wish we valued other things.
But she is just one person so I wouldn’t lay the entire societal consumerism issue on her. She is a product of this society.
We as humans grossly overestimate the amount of goods we need and are killing the environment. I guess at least the designer stuff with hopefully last longer and be handed down unlike the cheap made in China crap so it’s somewhat better. But I also think rich people buying all this crap trickles down to people with less money trying to emulate it. I just sort of hate it all. I wish we valued other things.
But she is just one person so I wouldn’t lay the entire societal consumerism issue on her. She is a product of this society.
Anonymous
11/30/2024 11:29
Subject: What do you think of women dripping in designer items?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Those I know who wear designer all the time grew up without much and are very insecure and need to show off to feel better about themselves.
Those who grew up well off don't need to flaunt it.
That isn't my experience
Really?
Then let’s drill down.
The WASPy old money Rich absolutely do not show labels.
Other ethnicities tend to.
I know trust fund kids who went to Choate. They would never wear showy labels. Everything is very nice and well tailored, but most people can’t pinpoint brands.
Heh WASPs who went to Choate aren't the only type of people who grew up rich, my friend. Get out of your bubble a little!
lol
Just one example, pp.
My bubble of old money rich people admittedly skews white and east coast (mostly northern with a few exceptions).
Young sorority girls go overboard with labels, but it’s typically a phase. Most women know better than to wear multiple showy labels (or anything obvious at all) by the time they reach 30.
So who are these people you see striving to wear multiple obvious luxury brands at the same time? Age, race, ethnicity, geographic region, and most importantly: new money, old money, or living beyond their means?