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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

ED is not full pay.

You commit without knowing if there will be financial aid.

You meant to say “you commit without knowing what a Net Price Calculator is”.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

I am the lower end of this group and my child just submitted ED and we may pay 90K a year.
We've been saving for 18 years for this. So some of us absolutely can.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

ED is not full pay.

You commit without knowing if there will be financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

ED is not full pay.

Next "shoe to drop". So dramatic.

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

They can when their parents contribute at least half (that’s my experience with the 9.9%)

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Anonymous wrote:I've heard speculation that ED could be challenged on an anti trust basis. I don't know how cogent that argument is and I didn't see it being accepted by the current Court. Unless there's some movement on that, this thread is a lot of hot air. Things do not simply become fairer over time as if by magic.

I hope so; it's an advantage that UMC families refuse to admit is a thumb on the scales for their precious children.

What’s the definition of UMC here? It’s a thumb on the scale for the top 1% who are beyond UMC by most definitions.

The top 9.9%
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/the-birth-of-a-new-american-aristocracy/559130/

"If your total net worth ranges somewhere between $1.2 and $20 million, you are in the top 9.9 percent of the wealth distribution. If your household income is around $200,000 or over, you are in the top 9.9 percent."

https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/learning-innovation/rising-inequality-fault-%E2%80%98-99-percent%E2%80%99

The lower end of this group can’t ED full pay at 90k per year.

There's rich and there's *rich*. There's a doctor's or a regionally prominent lawyer's kid on the one hand, and there's centimillionaire/billionaire or high political offspring on the other. I as a FA kid was friends with plenty of the first type of "rich" kid, but none of the second.

Anonymous wrote:Why so much disdain for the rich classmates?

I don't think there is among middle class students at T20 schools. I have two at these schools. Bright, middle class kids. Both on extremely generous financial aid. But yeah, at one school in particular, middle class students can't roll with the way their wealthier cohorts are spending their weekends and holidays. DC is not spending spring break in Japan. They shrug it off, but yeah. It's the romantic thing that's keeping things rolling. But not their world at this moment in time. And it does affect things. Hopeless relationship.

The other goes to a real brainiac university. One that doesn't send a majority to Wall Street. That DC is not experiencing the class thing at all.

But neither have any disdain for rich classmates. It just is.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s she unfair but benefits the wealthy so won’t go anywhere.

You do realize the wealthy, full-pay families are what provide so many benefits to the students who can’t afford full-pay, correct?

Can you cite the benefits you are referring to? Please provide specific examples.

Would you rather have your poor kid go to a school with all other poor kids, or one with many rich kids? Say stats are the same for the sake of argument, but be honest with yourself.

For most people, the presence of rich kids is itself a benefit.

Why would the poor kid want to go to school with rich kids?

Connections. Your roommate or friend's parents are rich and well connected and they help you find internships and jobs. If you remain friends with them after college, you have a group now that has many more connections than the average kid or poor kid where 90% of their community never went to college.

Show us a peer-reviewed study that demonstrates this actually happens. Just one.

Different poster, I am on the parent’s council at a top but not T10 private. This is a mechanism to increase parent giving that is incredibly successful and leads to the funding of projects that benefit all undergrads. Further, I know for a fact that parents on the council make sure that their companies recruit from the school, again benefits all undergrads.

It might happen occasionally. We need evidence that it’s a significant occurrence and can be replicated at various top colleges.

Okay no one has a cite so just send your kid to a poor kids school (there are plenty of them) and you'll probably be fine.

What on earth is a poor kids school? Maybe Princeton? More than 60 percent are on FA. Same with Stanford and MIT.

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I was thinking more like _____ State College. Many more poor kids at a school like that. If PP doesn't see being around rich kids as a benefit they can save a lot of time and hassle by going somewhere like that.

More vague anecdotes about “being around rich kids” as a benefit.

It wasn't an anecdote. If you don't want to be around rich kids it's REALLY easy to avoid them. Most people, in selecting colleges, real estate, and other such goods, show a strong revealed preference for being being as close to rich people as they can. That doesn't mean they're right to, but it should give you pause.

What a tiresome way to live

How much is your home worth? I bet too much to be lecturing other people.

DP- You can be rich and not think that’s why people would want to be around you or go to college with your kids.

I'm sure people like PP for her personality.

Why so much disdain for the rich classmates?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s she unfair but benefits the wealthy so won’t go anywhere.

You do realize the wealthy, full-pay families are what provide so many benefits to the students who can’t afford full-pay, correct?

Can you cite the benefits you are referring to? Please provide specific examples.

Would you rather have your poor kid go to a school with all other poor kids, or one with many rich kids? Say stats are the same for the sake of argument, but be honest with yourself.

For most people, the presence of rich kids is itself a benefit.

Why would the poor kid want to go to school with rich kids?

Connections. Your roommate or friend's parents are rich and well connected and they help you find internships and jobs. If you remain friends with them after college, you have a group now that has many more connections than the average kid or poor kid where 90% of their community never went to college.

Show us a peer-reviewed study that demonstrates this actually happens. Just one.

Different poster, I am on the parent’s council at a top but not T10 private. This is a mechanism to increase parent giving that is incredibly successful and leads to the funding of projects that benefit all undergrads. Further, I know for a fact that parents on the council make sure that their companies recruit from the school, again benefits all undergrads.

It might happen occasionally. We need evidence that it’s a significant occurrence and can be replicated at various top colleges.

Okay no one has a cite so just send your kid to a poor kids school (there are plenty of them) and you'll probably be fine.

What on earth is a poor kids school? Maybe Princeton? More than 60 percent are on FA. Same with Stanford and MIT.

mm

I was thinking more like _____ State College. Many more poor kids at a school like that. If PP doesn't see being around rich kids as a benefit they can save a lot of time and hassle by going somewhere like that.

More vague anecdotes about “being around rich kids” as a benefit.

It wasn't an anecdote. If you don't want to be around rich kids it's REALLY easy to avoid them. Most people, in selecting colleges, real estate, and other such goods, show a strong revealed preference for being being as close to rich people as they can. That doesn't mean they're right to, but it should give you pause.

What a tiresome way to live

How much is your home worth? I bet too much to be lecturing other people.

DP- You can be rich and not think that’s why people would want to be around you or go to college with your kids.

I'm sure people like PP for her personality.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s she unfair but benefits the wealthy so won’t go anywhere.

You do realize the wealthy, full-pay families are what provide so many benefits to the students who can’t afford full-pay, correct?

Can you cite the benefits you are referring to? Please provide specific examples.

Would you rather have your poor kid go to a school with all other poor kids, or one with many rich kids? Say stats are the same for the sake of argument, but be honest with yourself.

For most people, the presence of rich kids is itself a benefit.

Why would the poor kid want to go to school with rich kids?

Connections. Your roommate or friend's parents are rich and well connected and they help you find internships and jobs. If you remain friends with them after college, you have a group now that has many more connections than the average kid or poor kid where 90% of their community never went to college.

Show us a peer-reviewed study that demonstrates this actually happens. Just one.

Different poster, I am on the parent’s council at a top but not T10 private. This is a mechanism to increase parent giving that is incredibly successful and leads to the funding of projects that benefit all undergrads. Further, I know for a fact that parents on the council make sure that their companies recruit from the school, again benefits all undergrads.

It might happen occasionally. We need evidence that it’s a significant occurrence and can be replicated at various top colleges.

Okay no one has a cite so just send your kid to a poor kids school (there are plenty of them) and you'll probably be fine.

What on earth is a poor kids school? Maybe Princeton? More than 60 percent are on FA. Same with Stanford and MIT.

mm

I was thinking more like _____ State College. Many more poor kids at a school like that. If PP doesn't see being around rich kids as a benefit they can save a lot of time and hassle by going somewhere like that.

More vague anecdotes about “being around rich kids” as a benefit.

It wasn't an anecdote. If you don't want to be around rich kids it's REALLY easy to avoid them. Most people, in selecting colleges, real estate, and other such goods, show a strong revealed preference for being being as close to rich people as they can. That doesn't mean they're right to, but it should give you pause.

What a tiresome way to live

How much is your home worth? I bet too much to be lecturing other people.

DP- You can be rich and not think that’s why people would want to be around you or go to college with your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s she unfair but benefits the wealthy so won’t go anywhere.

You do realize the wealthy, full-pay families are what provide so many benefits to the students who can’t afford full-pay, correct?

Can you cite the benefits you are referring to? Please provide specific examples.

Would you rather have your poor kid go to a school with all other poor kids, or one with many rich kids? Say stats are the same for the sake of argument, but be honest with yourself.

For most people, the presence of rich kids is itself a benefit.

Why would the poor kid want to go to school with rich kids?

Connections. Your roommate or friend's parents are rich and well connected and they help you find internships and jobs. If you remain friends with them after college, you have a group now that has many more connections than the average kid or poor kid where 90% of their community never went to college.

Show us a peer-reviewed study that demonstrates this actually happens. Just one.

Different poster, I am on the parent’s council at a top but not T10 private. This is a mechanism to increase parent giving that is incredibly successful and leads to the funding of projects that benefit all undergrads. Further, I know for a fact that parents on the council make sure that their companies recruit from the school, again benefits all undergrads.

It might happen occasionally. We need evidence that it’s a significant occurrence and can be replicated at various top colleges.

Okay no one has a cite so just send your kid to a poor kids school (there are plenty of them) and you'll probably be fine.

What on earth is a poor kids school? Maybe Princeton? More than 60 percent are on FA. Same with Stanford and MIT.

mm

I was thinking more like _____ State College. Many more poor kids at a school like that. If PP doesn't see being around rich kids as a benefit they can save a lot of time and hassle by going somewhere like that.

More vague anecdotes about “being around rich kids” as a benefit.

It wasn't an anecdote. If you don't want to be around rich kids it's REALLY easy to avoid them. Most people, in selecting colleges, real estate, and other such goods, show a strong revealed preference for being being as close to rich people as they can. That doesn't mean they're right to, but it should give you pause.

What a tiresome way to live

How much is your home worth? I bet too much to be lecturing other people.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s she unfair but benefits the wealthy so won’t go anywhere.

You do realize the wealthy, full-pay families are what provide so many benefits to the students who can’t afford full-pay, correct?

Can you cite the benefits you are referring to? Please provide specific examples.

Would you rather have your poor kid go to a school with all other poor kids, or one with many rich kids? Say stats are the same for the sake of argument, but be honest with yourself.

For most people, the presence of rich kids is itself a benefit.

Why would the poor kid want to go to school with rich kids?

Connections. Your roommate or friend's parents are rich and well connected and they help you find internships and jobs. If you remain friends with them after college, you have a group now that has many more connections than the average kid or poor kid where 90% of their community never went to college.

Show us a peer-reviewed study that demonstrates this actually happens. Just one.

Different poster, I am on the parent’s council at a top but not T10 private. This is a mechanism to increase parent giving that is incredibly successful and leads to the funding of projects that benefit all undergrads. Further, I know for a fact that parents on the council make sure that their companies recruit from the school, again benefits all undergrads.

It might happen occasionally. We need evidence that it’s a significant occurrence and can be replicated at various top colleges.

Okay no one has a cite so just send your kid to a poor kids school (there are plenty of them) and you'll probably be fine.

What on earth is a poor kids school? Maybe Princeton? More than 60 percent are on FA. Same with Stanford and MIT.

mm

I was thinking more like _____ State College. Many more poor kids at a school like that. If PP doesn't see being around rich kids as a benefit they can save a lot of time and hassle by going somewhere like that.

More vague anecdotes about “being around rich kids” as a benefit.

It wasn't an anecdote. If you don't want to be around rich kids it's REALLY easy to avoid them. Most people, in selecting colleges, real estate, and other such goods, show a strong revealed preference for being being as close to rich people as they can. That doesn't mean they're right to, but it should give you pause.

What a tiresome way to live

+100 It’s sad