Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:52
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.
Technically, the state compelling the use of one’s body against their will is slavery.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:38
Subject: Re:Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people want the option to terminate past viability.
It is extremely rare and always for a heartbreaking catastrophic reason. This has been explained over and over and over again.
It is not extremely rare and it is not always for a catastrophic reason. As has been shown over and over on this board, third trimester abortions have been had over things like fights with a boyfriend to financial issues to delay in seeking care. No matter how much you want what you say to be true, it simply isn’t.
How often does that happen after week 28 (beginning of third trimester) vs terminating earlier? Where are the clinics that will terminate after week 28? Even when it’s a life threatening issue it’s hard to find a clinic or doctor who will terminate at that point as opposed to doing a c section or inducing. There are maybe 2 or 3 clinics at most who offer such a procedure in all of the US.
The reality is doctors do not want to do third trimester abortions.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:33
Subject: Re:Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get why people want the option to terminate past viability.
It is extremely rare and always for a heartbreaking catastrophic reason. This has been explained over and over and over again.
It is not extremely rare and it is not always for a catastrophic reason. As has been shown over and over on this board, third trimester abortions have been had over things like fights with a boyfriend to financial issues to delay in seeking care. No matter how much you want what you say to be true, it simply isn’t.
How often does that happen after week 28 (beginning of third trimester) vs terminating earlier? Where are the clinics that will terminate after week 28? Even when it’s a life threatening issue it’s hard to find a clinic or doctor who will terminate at that point as opposed to doing a c section or inducing. There are maybe 2 or 3 clinics at most who offer such a procedure in all of the US.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:19
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.
Abortion is to “healthcare,” as slavery is to “human resources.”
Slavery is wrong. So are abortion bans.
Slavery is wrong. So are elective abortions.
We’ve reached widespread consensus that slavery should be illegal. We have not reached such a widespread consensus on abortion. The abortion ballot initiatives since Dobbs suggest that the majority of Americans think elective abortions should be legal.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:16
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Every woman in my child's school parent community is voting for Harris. Repro freedom is a big part of it, but there are also so many other reasons we all care about (fascism, brain drain out of Trump's inner circle so only maga yes men, pattern of misogyny, sexual assault allegations, racism, zero character strengths, convicted felonies, etc.).
Like it's not hard to make a choice against him!
Like it's not hard to make a choice against him!
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:14
Subject: Re:Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Take a Xanax and have a cold shower.
I am a woman and I don’t vote on the single issue of abortion (ever) because other, more important issues affect my everyday life and the lives of my family members more. For Gen Z, teen pregnancy is just under 70% lower than it was for my generation. It’s not just my family- it’s the entire Gen Z. That’s good news.
I am a woman and I don’t vote on the single issue of abortion (ever) because other, more important issues affect my everyday life and the lives of my family members more. For Gen Z, teen pregnancy is just under 70% lower than it was for my generation. It’s not just my family- it’s the entire Gen Z. That’s good news.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:14
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in a southern state with stricter abortion limits than I would like. Even here, a woman can get an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You’re fear mongering.
All civilized countries (including all of the progressive ones in Europe) have limits on abortion. We can discuss what those limits should be, but democrats won’t come to the table for the discussion.
+1. Also writing from the deep south. This messaging doesn't land because it doesn't resonate. It doesn't align with the reality we see and live in our actual states. Women are still able to get medical abortions, and elective abortions for the first 2 months ish. I'm an educated white suburban swing state woman and the dem messaging on this is borderline offensive.
Same here. It’s one or two rabid posters here with the fearmongering and hyperbole. Only a gullible fool would take them seriously.
Please explain Amber Thurman’s death then.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:12
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.
Abortion is to “healthcare,” as slavery is to “human resources.”
Slavery is wrong. So are abortion bans.
Slavery is wrong. So are elective abortions.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:10
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I live in a southern state with stricter abortion limits than I would like. Even here, a woman can get an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You’re fear mongering.
All civilized countries (including all of the progressive ones in Europe) have limits on abortion. We can discuss what those limits should be, but democrats won’t come to the table for the discussion.
+1. Also writing from the deep south. This messaging doesn't land because it doesn't resonate. It doesn't align with the reality we see and live in our actual states. Women are still able to get medical abortions, and elective abortions for the first 2 months ish. I'm an educated white suburban swing state woman and the dem messaging on this is borderline offensive.
Same here. It’s one or two rabid posters here with the fearmongering and hyperbole. Only a gullible fool would take them seriously.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:10
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.
Abortion is to “healthcare,” as slavery is to “human resources.”
Slavery is wrong. So are abortion bans.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:10
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?
Abortion debate aside. Are you one of the parents who lets your kid get obese? Are you one of the parents who doesn't promote proper nutrition? Are you one of the parents who doesn't make their kids go outside and exercise? Are you one of the parents who lets their kids go on social media and get depression? Is this really a health care debate? If it is, then I wish every parent cared about these things first before arguing either way about pregnancy issues that occur much less frequently (and some arise because of obesity and mental health).
OP - to answer your question no. My kids are all thin (I am trying to get them to gain weight), eat healthy, are not on social media, have no cell phones, do multiple sports and are good at school. I actively sit with them to do homework every night. We bike and/or walk together after dinner. Between my 3 kids they have sports 10 times a week.
So focus on them and leave the rest of us and our families alone.. my reproductive life is none of your business.
Op - 100% I am not trying to get into your reproductive life at all! Why can’t republicans get out of everyone else’s reproductive life too? Leave it up to the individual and their doctor?
Republicans want democrats to stay out of their medical decisions and let people decide with their doctor whether vaccines are right for them. Democrats believe it’s their right to get in republicans’ medical business because it “might save a life”. Abortions are literally taking a life, by definition. So let’s start there.
And I do support abortion to a point, by the way, just sick of the “republicans are getting in my business and we don’t get in theirs” claims that any serious person can see are lies.
OP - so you think we shouldn't enforce vaccines in schools then? Parents should have the right to choose if they don't vaccinate their child against whooping cough, measles, mumps, etc?
Right. I believe that it should be the parents’ choice in collaboration with their doctors.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:09
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Do you not have daughters? Sisters? Nieces? What will you say to them when they need a D&C because they had a miscarriage and aren't able to get one and go into septic shock? What happens when their fallopian tube ruptures due to an ectopic pregnancy and they start bleeding internally? Does nobody think about the ramifications of their actions until it affects them individually? Southern states are trying to ban abortions in all instances - rape, incest, health of the mother. Why would you let your daughters, yourself, your nieces, your sisters, go through such pain? HOW IS THIS NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU!?! Why is your money more important than your health?
Sounds like a reason to vote at the state level but not presidential level.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:08
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.
Abortion is to “healthcare,” as slavery is to “human resources.”
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:06
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:I live in a southern state with stricter abortion limits than I would like. Even here, a woman can get an abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. You’re fear mongering.
All civilized countries (including all of the progressive ones in Europe) have limits on abortion. We can discuss what those limits should be, but democrats won’t come to the table for the discussion.
+1. Also writing from the deep south. This messaging doesn't land because it doesn't resonate. It doesn't align with the reality we see and live in our actual states. Women are still able to get medical abortions, and elective abortions for the first 2 months ish. I'm an educated white suburban swing state woman and the dem messaging on this is borderline offensive.
Anonymous
10/25/2024 13:00
Subject: Women who say they aren't voting on the single issue of abortion rights
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, you vote for the candidate that supports your issues.
I’ll vote for the candidate that supports mine.
You are for free choice, right? My body, my vote.
You do you. slavery was " legal" in the slave states and lots of candidates supported that position.
You are equating abortion with slavery? Ok, weirdo.
Nope, they're not equal. The point is some rights are fundamental to human beings like freedom and deciding what I'm going to do with my own reproductive decisions.