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Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens from Venezuela. Have you ever driven in Caracas? This is how they drive in Caracas.

You have never driven in Caracas, nevertheless been there.

I'm the prior prior poster. I have not personally driven in Caracas but I have been driven around to business appointments. Drivers in Caracas don't even pull over for ambulances. It was sad.
I have done business in Caracas. Venezuela is a failing country. All of my clients had large bank accounts in the US and owned properties in Miami. They also had private security services to prevent kidnapping.

Which is why in fact a lot of the
Venezuelans of all SES have fled here - and figured out how to exploit a market niche (moped delivery) and also how to conduct themselves more or less to avoid getting into trouble by following traffic laws. The root of OP’s post (that they are “sketchy” scofflaws) is factually incorrect. They’re following traffic laws as much/more than cars and likely a net safety improvement in that they replace car trips.

I'm sure that some moped drivers do follow the laws. This post is about the ones who don't follow the laws. There are moped drivers who run red lights and drive on sidewalks. If you go to Gallery Place you can see a lot of violations, especially on H and K Street, which they apparently use for crosstown deliveries.

No one is mad at the drivers who follow the law; we just want to the police to address the ones who clearly do nor follow the law. It is indeed "sketchy" to make left turns on red at rush hour and drive on the sidewalk. If people want to drive like a Third World country, they are welcome to go back home to their home country where that is legal and do that. It is an epidemic on H St and K Street in NW, and it's very dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens from Venezuela. Have you ever driven in Caracas? This is how they drive in Caracas.

You have never driven in Caracas, nevertheless been there.

I'm the prior prior poster. I have not personally driven in Caracas but I have been driven around to business appointments. Drivers in Caracas don't even pull over for ambulances. It was sad.
I have done business in Caracas. Venezuela is a failing country. All of my clients had large bank accounts in the US and owned properties in Miami. They also had private security services to prevent kidnapping.

Which is why in fact a lot of the
Venezuelans of all SES have fled here - and figured out how to exploit a market niche (moped delivery) and also how to conduct themselves more or less to avoid getting into trouble by following traffic laws. The root of OP’s post (that they are “sketchy” scofflaws) is factually incorrect. They’re following traffic laws as much/more than cars and likely a net safety improvement in that they replace car trips.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens from Venezuela. Have you ever driven in Caracas? This is how they drive in Caracas.

You have never driven in Caracas, nevertheless been there.

I'm the prior prior poster. I have not personally driven in Caracas but I have been driven around to business appointments. Drivers in Caracas don't even pull over for ambulances. It was sad. I have done business in Caracas. Venezuela is a failing country. All of my clients had large bank accounts in the US and owned properties in Miami. They also had private security services to prevent kidnapping.

Which is why in fact a lot of the Venezuelans of all SES have fled here - and figured out how to exploit a market niche (moped delivery) and also how to conduct themselves more or less to avoid getting into trouble by following traffic laws. The root of OP’s post (that they are “sketchy” scofflaws) is factually incorrect. They’re following traffic laws as much/more than cars and likely a net safety improvement in that they replace car trips.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens from Venezuela. Have you ever driven in Caracas? This is how they drive in Caracas.

You have never driven in Caracas, nevertheless been there.

I'm the prior prior poster. I have not personally driven in Caracas but I have been driven around to business appointments. Drivers in Caracas don't even pull over for ambulances. It was sad. I have done business in Caracas. Venezuela is a failing country. All of my clients had large bank accounts in the US and owned properties in Miami. They also had private security services to prevent kidnapping.

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Anonymous wrote:They need to require licenses

We’ve decided that some people in DC are required to obey laws and pay the taxes for the people we allow to break the law. That’s the deal you sign up for living here.

+1. This is exactly true and incredibly frustrating. 30 year resident.

Lifetime resident and yep. Some people are just allowed wider latitude for misbehavior. It’s the bigotry of low expectations. I’m liberal, but when I hear Trump might win and I am like “okay cool maybe he would actually bring in the national guard to crack down on the crime the progressive city council won’t”.

It’s honestly hilarious that there was so much btching and moaning about the recent crime bill. Which has already been shown to reduce crime.

It’s almost like the threat of swift and certain punishment works better than the anti-carceral push of the last few years. Who knew?

No, you're not.

I’m a pro-choice, voting liberal, who believes in the rule of law and that most of the progressive criminal justice reform policies of the last few years, at least regarding violent crime and safety are completely unworkable fluff. Sorry you think it’s okay to shield the records of violent criminals up to age 26 or not-prosecute crime like so many our city council members with any actual toughness. Hope you like the city going backwards. I miss Fenty, but you can enjoy the dystopia.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

Those 15 bikers/pedestrians would be alive if they make their “error” with a moped instead of a car.

Weird how even when it's not the car driver's fault, it's still the car driver's fault.

There was a recent accident in which one person on an e-bike drove into another person on an e-bike and one of them was killed. Still a car driver's fault, though, right?

Do you not understand that a car is inherently more deadly than a moped?

Car drivers are the most law abiding people on the road.

Look at the numbers. In 2022, there were 17 deaths attributed to cars. That's out of *billions* of trips taken. There were 15 deaths blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. How many people ride bikes or scooters in this city? Maybe 500?

Maybe cyclists and moped drivers should learn how to ride safely.

No. Actual studies say drivers are less likely to abide by road rules than bicyclists. You can easily find these studies with a simple Google search. But be forewarned that reality may necessarily not be in the business of affirming your silly prejudices.

Funny that you cite 2022 data. Probably because you know that there were more road deaths in 2023 than in any year since 2007.

A woman in my DV neighborhood was killed on a crosswalk - which she was crossing with the signal - by a driver who literally had thousands in outstanding unpaid fines. But she doesn’t matter, right, because she is only one person? And we shouldn’t worry about the driver either because s/he only accumulated a couple of dozen tickets out of tens of thousands of trips right up until the point where s/he killed someone.

Moronic, bigoted blowhards like yourself make me absolutely sick.

Hey dipshit, I'm just looking at the official data the DC police department puts out on traffic accidents. 2022 is the latest year they have.

It's pretty shocking though that only 17 people were killed by motorists, and nearly an identical number were blamed on cyclists/scooters/pedestrians. Doesn't really confirm the lies we see here every day, does it?

Oh, you're the poster who weirdly believes that non-motorists found at fault were somehow killed by themselves. They weren't. They were also killed by motorists.

Obviously, you don't even know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The data doesn't say.

We don't know if the non-motorists killed by motorists were killed by motorists? Yes we do.

The only thing we know is that you're a liar.

The police data says 15 cyclists/scooters/pedestrians were at fault in traffic accidents in which they died. We don't know if cars were even involved in those accidents. The statistics don't say.

Cyclists, et al are perfectly capable are getting themselves killed without the aid of motorists.

If you were actually interested in traffic safety, you would look at police press releases. Yes, we do know that they were killed by motorists.

So you're just a serial liar? Here's what the police actually say, complete with citation:

In 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths. The causes were:

Pedestrian error -- 12
Speeding -- 9
Driver drunk or stoned -- 4
Driver error -- 4
Bicycle error -- 2
Medical emergency -- 2
Scooter/Motorcycle/ATV error -- 1
Hit and Run/Unknown -- 1

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/AR_2022_lowres.pdf

The number of deaths caused by motorists is far, far smaller than WABA would have you believe.

Eh? WABA uses the same numbers you're using, from the same source. I.e., in 2022, there were 35 traffic deaths.

And I'm sure they're careful to note that roughly half those deaths are blamed on cyclists and scooters and pedestrians, right? So as not to mislead anyone?

If the scooter or cyclist had crashed with a moped, they’d likely still be alive. That’s the whole point. This new crop of moped drivers doesn’t appear to be any less observant of traffic laws than drivers; and the consequences of an accident with them is much; much less severe. Let’s not forget that at least one of those deaths attributed to “pedestrian error” was a 4 year old, who would likely be alive if it was a moped and not an SUV.

Didn't someone on e-bike just kill someone else on an e-bike in a crash?

If you hit your head on the pavement, because you were hit by a scooter or a cyclist or a moped or a car or even a skateboarder, you're probably going to die.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I don't think that PP is going to get anywhere with most people with "it's not THAT many dead people, ackshually"

If you don't think it's safe, then ride the subway.

Think of riding a bike in a big city like shooting a gun. You can do it. It's your right. But it's never not going to be dangerous, and if you get yourself killed, you will have no one else to blame but yourself.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

We have a "broken windows" problem with traffic enforcement.

People see 12 year olds on three wheelers going down the middle of Georgia Avenue. They see people on mopeds going 40 mph through stop signs. They see bicyclists ignoring every single traffic law.

They see nothing happens to any of these people and then they feel like suckers for being the only ones who obey traffic laws so then they don't. Bad behavior spreads and becomes the norm.

Omg. You cannot possibly have just written that. The number of cars blowing through stop signs and red lights far FAR outweighs mopeds and bikers doing so; and the consequences are far more severe. Go sit an watch any stop sign for 20 minutes and tell me how many cars come to a full stop behind the stop line. None do. Literally zero unless there is cross traffic, and even in that case, they stop in the crosswalk. There are also certain traffic lights in my neighborhood that 1-2 cars in every cycle blow through because there is no cross traffic. every.single.time.

Gtfo with your patently false statements.

This is all just nonsense. If cars ignored traffic laws like people on bikes and mopeds did, there would be accidents at every single intersection in the city, every single day.

This might be a shock to you, but as a transportation mode gets larger, faster and loses visibility, it needs more restrictions to be safe. This is why pedestrians can move around a plaza or park without restrictions while high-speed rail or airplanes need very controlled and regulated corridors.

Cars are bigger, faster and with less visibility than a person/bike/moped so they need to be used in a controlled manner so as not to slam into each other or other transportation users. This is why other modes of transportation can safely operate in a way that would lead to carnage with cars.

You are so used to a car based bias, that you no longer understand how other modes of transportation work.

Well, the police say only 17 deaths in the most recent year's statistics were caused by motorists, and that's in a city with a daytime population of 1 million, so the roads actually seem quite safe.

Honestly, seems like we have a lot bigger problems to worry about.

Maybe you should just ride the bus.

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It's laughable to anyone who bikes or walks in the city that they drive safely. I guess you get off on knowing they annoy people, which is fine. A few will turn themselves to pancakes annually and hopefully they don't hurt too many pedestrians along the way.

The point is that the moped drivers don't have the ability to obliterate an entire family as does the operator of a four ton murder machine. But continue telling yourself that they do.

Murder machines! This silly rhetoric really misleads people about what is actually happening. Lets look at some official government stats, shall we?

In 2022, there were:

-a grand total of 17 people in Washington DC who were killed by car drivers

-nearly as many deaths, 15, were blamed on bicyclist/pedestrian/scooter errors

-there were 203 homicides

With all these moped drivers driving like maniacs, it's only a matter of time before the second category exceeds the first.

Would love to see the city care about traffic violations from every category of driver. Crackdowns on the fake tags would have a ripple effect driving down all kinds of crime.

We have a "broken windows" problem with traffic enforcement.

People see 12 year olds on three wheelers going down the middle of Georgia Avenue. They see people on mopeds going 40 mph through stop signs. They see bicyclists ignoring every single traffic law.

They see nothing happens to any of these people and then they feel like suckers for being the only ones who obey traffic laws so then they don't. Bad behavior spreads and becomes the norm.

Omg. You cannot possibly have just written that. The number of cars blowing through stop signs and red lights far FAR outweighs mopeds and bikers doing so; and the consequences are far more severe. Go sit an watch any stop sign for 20 minutes and tell me how many cars come to a full stop behind the stop line. None do. Literally zero unless there is cross traffic, and even in that case, they stop in the crosswalk. There are also certain traffic lights in my neighborhood that 1-2 cars in every cycle blow through because there is no cross traffic. every.single.time.

Gtfo with your patently false statements.

This is all just nonsense. If cars ignored traffic laws like people on bikes and mopeds did, there would be accidents at every single intersection in the city, every single day.

This might be a shock to you, but as a transportation mode gets larger, faster and loses visibility, it needs more restrictions to be safe. This is why pedestrians can move around a plaza or park without restrictions while high-speed rail or airplanes need very controlled and regulated corridors.

Cars are bigger, faster and with less visibility than a person/bike/moped so they need to be used in a controlled manner so as not to slam into each other or other transportation users. This is why other modes of transportation can safely operate in a way that would lead to carnage with cars.

You are so used to a car based bias, that you no longer understand how other modes of transportation work.

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Anonymous wrote:Illegal aliens from Venezuela. Have you ever driven in Caracas? This is how they drive in Caracas.

You have never driven in Caracas, nevertheless been there.

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Has this happened recently in DC? No? So just a presumption then.

A DC driver - with thousands of dollars in unpaid speeding tickets no less - hit an elderly woman in a crosswalk in NW DC on June 5th and killed her. That is a fact.

Yet despite the fact that it is drivers out there that out there actually doing the killing, you are concerned about a hypothetical involving moped drivers.

Could this be, perhaps, you drive a vehicle and not a moped and so view drivers as "us" and moped riders as "them"?

To cut a long story short please take your chauvinistic nonsense elsewhere.

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