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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

Interesting, maybe. Penn has the edge in some areas. But Yale still elite.
Splitting hairs to call one better.

Anonymous wrote:Johns Hopkins not elite

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Anonymous wrote:Top 25 Univ & Top 15 LACs. Period.

Definitely not. T10-15 + Top 3 LACs, max.

Dartmouth isn't elite but UCLA is? Yall are dumb

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

You made a huge jump to get UVA and Gtown into the conversation. Bottom elite at best. What's the next tier after "Bottom Elite"?

UVA and Georgetown are much more "elite" than Umich. Especially Georgetown. I honestly would consider Umich as a step below the bottom elite. Umich is not that hard to get into. I would add UNC and USC in the Umich category.

It's common in my neighborhood for kids that get rejected at UVA to go U Mich. It is hard for kids at large NoVa schools to get into UVA. We had 22 U Michigan admits at our HS (out of 240 students). We had 6 UVA. We had 1 Georgetown. It's almost impossible to get into Georgetown at our NoVA public HS. There are 0-1 admitted each year out of a large class--and if there are more they are almost always legacy.

its hard to get into Georgetown period, but it has nothing to do with the area or the public nature of your school. if anything, this area does better because of legacy and faculty/admin parents.

We have had 0-1 students get into Georgetown at our large public NoVA HS for the past few decades. It's a very hard admit.

I know we're all pretty self centered, but you realize this is true at hundreds of high schools across the country, right?

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Still not T20, they game the rankings

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

Interesting, maybe. Penn has the edge in some areas. But Yale still elite.
Splitting hairs to call one better.

Penn's nursing program is great!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

Interesting, maybe. Penn has the edge in some areas. But Yale still elite.
Splitting hairs to call one better.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Still not T20, they game the rankings

Seek help. Your obsession with WashU is unhealthy and weird.

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Anonymous wrote:Top 10 or Ivy schools

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The answer is not either /or but both: look at the top 10 universities the past 2-3 years in USNews, some are ivies some are not. Then look at the world rankings.
The colleges that are consistently top10 universities in US news AND are T20 in the world rankings are the US elite colleges. Not all the ivies make this list, as some US schools are better than the bottom 3 ivies.
There are other rankings, as US news has issues, though if one compares and cross references to the world T20 the result is the most elite group .

Using QS world ranking it makes a very short list, only 7, maybe 9:
MIT Stanford Harvard Penn Princeton CalTech Yale. Add UChicago and Columbia if counting unis that have been T10 in most years this decade despite not the most recent year.
Probably too limited of a list IMO, though it seems intuitively correct.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t consider Yale to be elite anymore.

Harvard, Princeton, Penn, MIT, and Stanford. Top 5.

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Anonymous wrote:any ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Cal Tech, Duke, Chicago, Northwestern, Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore, Pomona.

Below that non-ivies could be Hopkins, Georgetown, UVA, Michigan, and Cal Berkley. State schools by definition are less prestigious.

ok, but some would say you wouldn’t even start to include the SLACS until after 20, where Georgetown and UVA comfortably reside in the second tier of national universities. But some would have a hard time considering Amherst above first tier T20 Rice or WashU

WashU isn't T20

WashU literally spent 30 straight years in the T20, half of which was in the T15. It was only when USNWR changed its methodology last fall that WashU fell outside. It's myopic to say that WashU isn't T20 when it has been for the last 30 and #24 for all of six months.

I have no ties to WashU, but I find the WashU hate by a couple DCUM posters perplexing.

Agree. Also no ties to WashU. Phenomenal school, definitely T15-20