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Anonymous wrote:DP - This is kinda superficial (although it definitely gets to the idea of establishing an emotional connection to what will eventually become a major part of one's life), the marketing execution around decision day for Florida was exceptional. At least in my DC's experience with several other schools, it was bonkers how well they executed their strategy.

So much so that I could easily believe that their decision day experience nets them dozens of enrollments from students that would probably otherwise have taken another offer elsewhere.

Can you explain what the "marketing execution around decision day" looked like?

Countdown clock, branding alignment, the announcement page, the acceptance letter digital presentation, etc. I'm not in marketing, so I'm sure I'm butchering the names of common concepts that marketers work with every day. To me, effective marketing doesn't feel like you're being targeted, and yet you subconsciously walk away from the engagement feeling that your level of interest has increased considerably. That's what occurred on 2/23. Florida was not on DC's Top 5 list of dream schools on 2/22, but by 2/24, there's a chance. Again, small sample size. But interesting nevertheless.

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Anonymous wrote:DP - This is kinda superficial (although it definitely gets to the idea of establishing an emotional connection to what will eventually become a major part of one's life), the marketing execution around decision day for Florida was exceptional. At least in my DC's experience with several other schools, it was bonkers how well they executed their strategy.

So much so that I could easily believe that their decision day experience nets them dozens of enrollments from students that would probably otherwise have taken another offer elsewhere.

Can you explain what the "marketing execution around decision day" looked like?

Anonymous wrote:DP - This is kinda superficial (although it definitely gets to the idea of establishing an emotional connection to what will eventually become a major part of one's life), the marketing execution around decision day for Florida was exceptional. At least in my DC's experience with several other schools, it was bonkers how well they executed their strategy.

So much so that I could easily believe that their decision day experience nets them dozens of enrollments from students that would probably otherwise have taken another offer elsewhere.

Anonymous wrote:If applying to Florida is at all on anyone's radar, you should do so. The application fee was substantially less than other schools-$30-$35. It really is a great school that keeps gaining in reputation each year.

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Anonymous wrote:If applying to Florida is at all on anyone's radar, you should do so. The application fee was substantially less than other schools-$30-$35. It really is a great school that keeps gaining in reputation each year.

It’s low to drive up numbers, which in turn pushes the acceptance rate lower. Another example of rankings obsessed strategy from this school. Clearly the reputation isn’t strong among DCUM families. Not very many apply, and those who do are constantly defending their choice here.

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Anonymous wrote:If applying to Florida is at all on anyone's radar, you should do so. The application fee was substantially less than other schools-$30-$35. It really is a great school that keeps gaining in reputation each year.

It’s low to drive up numbers, which in turn pushes the acceptance rate lower. Another example of rankings obsessed strategy from this school. Clearly the reputation isn’t strong among DCUM families. Not very many apply, and those who do are constantly defending their choice here.

Anonymous wrote:If applying to Florida is at all on anyone's radar, you should do so. The application fee was substantially less than other schools-$30-$35. It really is a great school that keeps gaining in reputation each year.

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Anonymous wrote:74,800 total freshman applications

Below are the estimates, based on data released by UF in previous Board of Trustees meetings …

41,500 FL applicants
32,300 OOS applicants

16,000 accepted applicants (all programs)

6,600 slots available (all programs)

13,000 FL accepted applicants x yield rate of 45% = 5,850 enrollments

3,000 OOS accepted applicants x yield rate of 25% = 750 enrollments (11.4% of overall)

16,000 / 74,800 = 21.4 overall accept rate

13,000 / 41,500 = 31.3% FL accept rate

3,000 / 32,300 = 9.3% OOS accept rate

These stats are so interesting to me. Unless they really don't care / don't want the OOS kids to enroll, you would think FL would figure out a better way to figure out OOS acceptances. I mean, they only accept 9.3%, but then 75% of those kids don't attend.

Even the PP who's kid has been accepted...it seems like it is unlikely they will actually attend based on the really high stats and other possible options.

I wouldn’t put too much stock into these numbers until pp explains where the yield percentages came from. I’ve already asked twice

If the best you've got is the 20% figure thrown around by admissions counseling sites and other online clickbait trash that cite data from who knows when (like College Transitions, etc.), please don't even bother to reply.

Either work through the calculus with the data that's rock solid for this admissions cycle and that's rock solid based on UF's historical admissions record, or save it.

If your info is so good, show us where it came from, specifically the yield rates. You refuse because you invented it.

So you have absolutely nothing other than clickbait trash that’s either questionable data from 5 years ago or entirely made up by a college admissions site. Cool. That’s what I figured.

20% 😂🤣😭

And yet still better than numbers you made up yourself.

The calculations are on Page 5, you troglodyte. Go refute them.

No need too, the entire calculation fails because you made up the yield rates.

At every juncture, I’ve indicated that they are estimated (rally, interpolated) based on actual BOT and CDS data.

Where did you get the 20%?

Ah, so made up.

Oh, you made up the 20%?

Nope, just google

Where’s the link?

Crickets. Totally unexpected. 🙄

So you spent 2-3 pages of the thread trying to sell the bogus, outdated 20% OOS acceptance rate, refusing to explain how you arrived at that figure, trying to refute the detailed estimate someone else provided based on actual data from this year’s UF admission cycle and actual data in UF’s CDS data set … and it turns out you were just referencing a Google search? When the acceptance rate for UF on Page 1 of a Google search for “University of Florida acceptance rate” varies from 20% to 43%, demonstrating how dated and unreliable that data is?

When exactly did you and/or your kid(s) get rejected from UF?

Again, I trust the search results on google for “oos acceptance rate” for ufl over someone clearly making up yield rates. Not sure why the acceptance rates online for every other university in the country would be correct but UFL has some super special deviation that only some anonymous dcum booster can calculate.

Which one do you trust? The acceptance rate of 20% or 43%? Or somewhere in between?

As far as the yield, the Common Data Set makes it clear for the entire applicant pool. They accept 15 - 16K applicants. They enroll 6 - 7K of those accepted applicants. The yield everywhere you look is 43 - 45%, including Google. I would assume you wouldn’t try to diminish the overall yield rate, but based on prior performance, I guess that’s probably a dangerous leap of faith.

The only variable is acceptance rate, which is entirely dependent on the number of applications year-by-year. And as the application count has increased, the acceptance rate has correspondingly decreased. From there, it’s a matter of considering the state DOE regulation, referencing the historical OOS enrollment from the Common Data Set, and logic to work out a reasonable estimate for the in-state yield and the OOS yield.

So again, when exactly did you and/or your kid(s) get rejected from UF?

Sigh, you just don’t get it. Yield at every flagship, including our local ones, UVA and MD, and the hugely popular UCs, is always much less for oos stidents. You, by your own admission, have no way to distinguish between oos yield and in state yield, therefore your calculation isn’t accurate.


For example, Dean J releases quite a bit of additional info in her blog for UVA. In 2022, UVA admitted 3946 in state, and 5576 oos for the class of 2026. UVA subsequently published that 4031 students enrolled, and 37.7 percent, or 1520 were oos, Thus we can calculate UVA has an instate yield of 64 percent and an oos yield of 27 percent. If we used the overall yield rate, we wouldn’t be calculating the correct acceptance rate for either group.


Because we know that oos yield is always going to be lower (and probably significantly lower in Florida since many in state students have the attraction of free tuition), using the overall yield rate instead of an oos specific number is going to vastly underestimate how many oos students Florida has to admit to get an enrolled student and gives you an acceptance rate that therefore is too low. You can even see the dichotomy in this thread where none of the oos students who are admitted are definitely committed to attending.

College transitions reports an overall acceptance rate of 30 percent for the class of 2025, which is broken down to 19 percent for oos students. I have found their numbers to be accurate for other schools

For the avoidance of doubt, you’re citing Class of 2025 data (data that’s three years old, from an admissions cycle when the number of undergraduate applications to UF was barely 70% of the number already verified for this Class of 2028)? And you’re doing that in the absence of any indication that UF’s capacity to enroll actual students has increased at all, much less by a commensurate 40% or more? And then to top it off, you’re citing a different anonymous rando at College Transitions (as predicted 🙄), a site that publishes clickbait information to sell consulting services to rubes, to reference a supposed OOS acceptance rate from three years ago … and it’s a rate that’s even below the 20% you started with?

No further witnesses, your honor.

Again please learn the difference between oos and in state yields. Can’t decide if you are just not able to comprehend it, or unwillingly to acknowledge an error. Either way, your calls are still fatally flawed.

I didn’t even mention yield initially - you did. I said OOS acceptance rate is below 10% this year. You refuted that. You’ve been pummeled into oblivion as a fool since.

Oh sweetie, you can’t calculate oos acceptance rate from the data you had without yield rate. The more you write, the more it becomes clear how deficient your calculation is.

DP.

OMFG, are you serious? Acceptance rate cannot be calculated without yield rate?

This site needs to abandon anonymity. Disinformation and just fundamental cognitive impairment like this should be allowed out into the universe.

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Anonymous wrote:Those test scores are lower than I would have thought. I also read UCLA had 173k applications, I’d have thought UF would get more as much as it’s discussed here.

Yup, just another example of how much grade inflation there is when you compare the high average gpa with a relatively low average SAT.

Just another example of someone who cannot stand to see UF succeeding.

No one cares about UF outside of FL.

lol…facts

Anonymous wrote:Can we move on from the back to back arguing. If you dislike UF this much, move along to something else. Others who are considering it would like to hear some talk about, you know, the school and not just iOS yield rates.

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Anonymous wrote:Those test scores are lower than I would have thought. I also read UCLA had 173k applications, I’d have thought UF would get more as much as it’s discussed here.

Yup, just another example of how much grade inflation there is when you compare the high average gpa with a relatively low average SAT.

Just another example of someone who cannot stand to see UF succeeding.

No one cares about UF outside of FL.

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Anonymous wrote:74,800 total freshman applications

Below are the estimates, based on data released by UF in previous Board of Trustees meetings …

41,500 FL applicants
32,300 OOS applicants

16,000 accepted applicants (all programs)

6,600 slots available (all programs)

13,000 FL accepted applicants x yield rate of 45% = 5,850 enrollments

3,000 OOS accepted applicants x yield rate of 25% = 750 enrollments (11.4% of overall)

16,000 / 74,800 = 21.4 overall accept rate

13,000 / 41,500 = 31.3% FL accept rate

3,000 / 32,300 = 9.3% OOS accept rate

These stats are so interesting to me. Unless they really don't care / don't want the OOS kids to enroll, you would think FL would figure out a better way to figure out OOS acceptances. I mean, they only accept 9.3%, but then 75% of those kids don't attend.

Even the PP who's kid has been accepted...it seems like it is unlikely they will actually attend based on the really high stats and other possible options.

I wouldn’t put too much stock into these numbers until pp explains where the yield percentages came from. I’ve already asked twice

If the best you've got is the 20% figure thrown around by admissions counseling sites and other online clickbait trash that cite data from who knows when (like College Transitions, etc.), please don't even bother to reply.

Either work through the calculus with the data that's rock solid for this admissions cycle and that's rock solid based on UF's historical admissions record, or save it.

If your info is so good, show us where it came from, specifically the yield rates. You refuse because you invented it.

So you have absolutely nothing other than clickbait trash that’s either questionable data from 5 years ago or entirely made up by a college admissions site. Cool. That’s what I figured.

20% 😂🤣😭

And yet still better than numbers you made up yourself.

The calculations are on Page 5, you troglodyte. Go refute them.

No need too, the entire calculation fails because you made up the yield rates.

At every juncture, I’ve indicated that they are estimated (rally, interpolated) based on actual BOT and CDS data.

Where did you get the 20%?

Ah, so made up.

Oh, you made up the 20%?

Nope, just google

Where’s the link?

Crickets. Totally unexpected. 🙄

So you spent 2-3 pages of the thread trying to sell the bogus, outdated 20% OOS acceptance rate, refusing to explain how you arrived at that figure, trying to refute the detailed estimate someone else provided based on actual data from this year’s UF admission cycle and actual data in UF’s CDS data set … and it turns out you were just referencing a Google search? When the acceptance rate for UF on Page 1 of a Google search for “University of Florida acceptance rate” varies from 20% to 43%, demonstrating how dated and unreliable that data is?

When exactly did you and/or your kid(s) get rejected from UF?

Again, I trust the search results on google for “oos acceptance rate” for ufl over someone clearly making up yield rates. Not sure why the acceptance rates online for every other university in the country would be correct but UFL has some super special deviation that only some anonymous dcum booster can calculate.

Which one do you trust? The acceptance rate of 20% or 43%? Or somewhere in between?

As far as the yield, the Common Data Set makes it clear for the entire applicant pool. They accept 15 - 16K applicants. They enroll 6 - 7K of those accepted applicants. The yield everywhere you look is 43 - 45%, including Google. I would assume you wouldn’t try to diminish the overall yield rate, but based on prior performance, I guess that’s probably a dangerous leap of faith.

The only variable is acceptance rate, which is entirely dependent on the number of applications year-by-year. And as the application count has increased, the acceptance rate has correspondingly decreased. From there, it’s a matter of considering the state DOE regulation, referencing the historical OOS enrollment from the Common Data Set, and logic to work out a reasonable estimate for the in-state yield and the OOS yield.

So again, when exactly did you and/or your kid(s) get rejected from UF?

Sigh, you just don’t get it. Yield at every flagship, including our local ones, UVA and MD, and the hugely popular UCs, is always much less for oos stidents. You, by your own admission, have no way to distinguish between oos yield and in state yield, therefore your calculation isn’t accurate.


For example, Dean J releases quite a bit of additional info in her blog for UVA. In 2022, UVA admitted 3946 in state, and 5576 oos for the class of 2026. UVA subsequently published that 4031 students enrolled, and 37.7 percent, or 1520 were oos, Thus we can calculate UVA has an instate yield of 64 percent and an oos yield of 27 percent. If we used the overall yield rate, we wouldn’t be calculating the correct acceptance rate for either group.


Because we know that oos yield is always going to be lower (and probably significantly lower in Florida since many in state students have the attraction of free tuition), using the overall yield rate instead of an oos specific number is going to vastly underestimate how many oos students Florida has to admit to get an enrolled student and gives you an acceptance rate that therefore is too low. You can even see the dichotomy in this thread where none of the oos students who are admitted are definitely committed to attending.

College transitions reports an overall acceptance rate of 30 percent for the class of 2025, which is broken down to 19 percent for oos students. I have found their numbers to be accurate for other schools

For the avoidance of doubt, you’re citing Class of 2025 data (data that’s three years old, from an admissions cycle when the number of undergraduate applications to UF was barely 70% of the number already verified for this Class of 2028)? And you’re doing that in the absence of any indication that UF’s capacity to enroll actual students has increased at all, much less by a commensurate 40% or more? And then to top it off, you’re citing a different anonymous rando at College Transitions (as predicted 🙄), a site that publishes clickbait information to sell consulting services to rubes, to reference a supposed OOS acceptance rate from three years ago … and it’s a rate that’s even below the 20% you started with?

No further witnesses, your honor.

Again please learn the difference between oos and in state yields. Can’t decide if you are just not able to comprehend it, or unwillingly to acknowledge an error. Either way, your calls are still fatally flawed.

I didn’t even mention yield initially - you did. I said OOS acceptance rate is below 10% this year. You refuted that. You’ve been pummeled into oblivion as a fool since.

Oh sweetie, you can’t calculate oos acceptance rate from the data you had without yield rate. The more you write, the more it becomes clear how deficient your calculation is.