Anonymous
Post 03/21/2024 09:07     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.


In our school, all the top kids got waitlisted. Only 2 Geometry students got in and at least 4 Algebra 1 students, including one that slept through half the time for the essay portion

You all voted for these equity-based admission changes, and now that they're affecting your own kids, you can't complain about them. If you are one of those who abstained the school board public hearings on this topic, then you missed your opportunity to influence it.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2024 07:16     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.


In our school, all the top kids got waitlisted. Only 2 Geometry students got in and at least 4 Algebra 1 students, including one that slept through half the time for the essay portion

Which school?


Harmony
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 23:58     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.


In our school, all the top kids got waitlisted. Only 2 Geometry students got in and at least 4 Algebra 1 students, including one that slept through half the time for the essay portion

Just because kid had a rough previous night and took a little shut eye during essay portion, does mean they are not smart and don't deserve the offer. They could be a diamond in the rough. Admissions panel knows how to spot them.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 22:52     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.


In our school, all the top kids got waitlisted. Only 2 Geometry students got in and at least 4 Algebra 1 students, including one that slept through half the time for the essay portion

Which school?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 22:19     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.


In our school, all the top kids got waitlisted. Only 2 Geometry students got in and at least 4 Algebra 1 students, including one that slept through half the time for the essay portion
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 22:07     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
I doubt there is a lottery based off the admissions I've seen the past few years.
The school gets about 20 seats. Top students all got in. If it were lottery, some of these kids would have been waitlisted.
Unless people are saying there is a very high cutoff in test score, then they did a lottery below that.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 19:55     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stop spreading rumors about a lottery.

Admission is based on a few things, 2.5 quantitative, 1.5 qualitative.

Quant:
Middle school grades.
SOL and VGA-type assessments.
.5 = the Q&A portion of the entrance exam.

Qualitative:
Free text recommendations from current Math and Science teachers.
.5 = the essay your kid wrote.

Top 20% of the # of kids across the county get first choice. So about 25 per AET and AOS. The n a percentage of each middle school gets admitted qualified applicants. Brambleton, you’re SOL as 60% of the 8th grade applies. Smarts Mill? 5% apply, 3% get in.

For example, an admitted AET student this cycle: Nothing lower than an A all of middle school, 600 Algebra SOL, 570 English SOL.

Waitlist is the next 5-ish percent per middle school. It’s not a Loudoun-wide process. This was the change two years ago so it would be a more equitable process across the county rather than 50% of kids coming from Brambleton.


So Ironic... Posts starts with "do not spread rumors " but it does nothing but post incorrect information/ rumours Can you provide a proof or any online resource for information in that post ?

1) There are no teacher recommendations accepted.
2) .05 percent for exam is so far away from reality.


Yeah, I have two kids that go there and if you ask they’ll tell you their criteria.

Your child’s math and science teachers were given free form text fields for applicants. Go ask them.

And it’s not .05 percent for the exam, it’s the weighting of the qualitative field with standard testing and grades.

You sound big mad about dumping $$$ into kumon or Kaplan and not getting a bid.







😊😊 You are too fast to jump to conclusions .

I have 2 kids who are in AOL( initially waitlisted) Last year , DD had perfect SOL score -as per your criteria - she should have been admitted but waitlisted.

My 3rd one just admitted this year had sol score over 500 but not perfect score , so please save your rhetoric about “ mad” , “dumping $$$$ “.

I know for fact that there is a lottery pool for kids who score more than a cutoff mark.




Just proving my point here…?

There is no lottery. 0 truth.

I know it makes you feel better that the admission is random and a lottery exists (which would be a horrible way to admit to a magnet school, btw) but the best are initially given bids first. Then waitlist, then whatever else.


There definitely is a lottery. In my childs school a student who scored 600 on reading SOL and 500+ on algebra 1 SOL (student takes alg 2/trig after taking geometry in the summer), outstanding student in the gifted program and all A's, was not offered any admission to either AET/AOS. Probably did not recieve qualifying marks on the test to be entered in the lottery, and was therefore denied
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 19:17     Subject: Re:AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
from old data I have for my DT's year: Apparently, there must be a large number of students received both AOS and AET offers .... may be to give them a choice of path they want to go in.

For 2019-2020

AET: Applied 1107 - Offer Admission = 322 - Accepted Admission = 150 Waitlisted = 330

AOS: Applied 1154 - Offer Admission = 231 - Accepted Admission = 125 Waitlisted = 125

Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 19:06     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But the selection process is not transparent.
Some of the kids who got into AOS are right away getting rejections to AET.

how many admissions does the kid want? be happy with one. this is not a unlimited candy give away


Nobody wants to get into both but they might have some preference over AOS/AET
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 18:34     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/loudoun/Board.nsf/files/BSCJSG4E8AE0/$file/Academies%20Admissions%20Changes%20Presentation%20081120.pdf

In 2020 .. Smart's Milll has only 1 student enrolled in AOS program. However, Smart's Mill also has 6 AET students.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 18:00     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stop spreading rumors about a lottery.

Admission is based on a few things, 2.5 quantitative, 1.5 qualitative.

Quant:
Middle school grades.
SOL and VGA-type assessments.
.5 = the Q&A portion of the entrance exam.

Qualitative:
Free text recommendations from current Math and Science teachers.
.5 = the essay your kid wrote.

Top 20% of the # of kids across the county get first choice. So about 25 per AET and AOS. The n a percentage of each middle school gets admitted qualified applicants. Brambleton, you’re SOL as 60% of the 8th grade applies. Smarts Mill? 5% apply, 3% get in.

For example, an admitted AET student this cycle: Nothing lower than an A all of middle school, 600 Algebra SOL, 570 English SOL.

Waitlist is the next 5-ish percent per middle school. It’s not a Loudoun-wide process. This was the change two years ago so it would be a more equitable process across the county rather than 50% of kids coming from Brambleton.

hello mate, equity volunteer here too. Smarts Mill has a chronic absenteeism problem and less than half of the class is proficient in basic grade 8th math. We dont need to worry about Brambleton and their AET/AOS admission chances. Lets focus of addressing Smarts Mills issues with teaching basic math.


… you misunderstand.

A higher % of qualified applicants from the Smarts pool of applicants will get in.

If 10 qualified kids from Smarts apply, 5 might get in.

If 100 qualified kids from Brambleton apply, 5 might get in.

You don’t get extra per middle school just because a lot applied or because the overall proficiency is higher. This is black and white in public documents.

5 may be far fetched, but I hope at least one Smarts Mill kids accepts their offer. Back to our burning issue, have your heard anything about how they plan to address the chronic absentee issue?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 17:55     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stop spreading rumors about a lottery.

Admission is based on a few things, 2.5 quantitative, 1.5 qualitative.

Quant:
Middle school grades.
SOL and VGA-type assessments.
.5 = the Q&A portion of the entrance exam.

Qualitative:
Free text recommendations from current Math and Science teachers.
.5 = the essay your kid wrote.

Top 20% of the # of kids across the county get first choice. So about 25 per AET and AOS. The n a percentage of each middle school gets admitted qualified applicants. Brambleton, you’re SOL as 60% of the 8th grade applies. Smarts Mill? 5% apply, 3% get in.

For example, an admitted AET student this cycle: Nothing lower than an A all of middle school, 600 Algebra SOL, 570 English SOL.

Waitlist is the next 5-ish percent per middle school. It’s not a Loudoun-wide process. This was the change two years ago so it would be a more equitable process across the county rather than 50% of kids coming from Brambleton.

Brambleton's overall math proficiency is 91%, whereas Smart's Mill math proficiency is 34%, and the fix for this massive discrepancy is to admit may be one or two Smarts mill kids into AOS/AET?


You don’t think there are any kids at Smarts worth succeeding at AOL?

What a terrible thing to insinuate on children.

Equity volunteer here. I know that's what they taught us both in equity training, to turn disagreement into a kid insinuation, even when it is not implied. But that's starting to look like a cheap tactic, and no wonder everyone thinks we are idiots. But hey, we have thick skin, dont we.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 17:50     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:But the selection process is not transparent.
Some of the kids who got into AOS are right away getting rejections to AET.

how many admissions does the kid want? be happy with one. this is not a unlimited candy give away
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 16:07     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
But the selection process is not transparent.
Some of the kids who got into AOS are right away getting rejections to AET.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2024 15:46     Subject: AOS AET admissions decisions this week?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stop spreading rumors about a lottery.

Admission is based on a few things, 2.5 quantitative, 1.5 qualitative.

Quant:
Middle school grades.
SOL and VGA-type assessments.
.5 = the Q&A portion of the entrance exam.

Qualitative:
Free text recommendations from current Math and Science teachers.
.5 = the essay your kid wrote.

Top 20% of the # of kids across the county get first choice. So about 25 per AET and AOS. The n a percentage of each middle school gets admitted qualified applicants. Brambleton, you’re SOL as 60% of the 8th grade applies. Smarts Mill? 5% apply, 3% get in.

For example, an admitted AET student this cycle: Nothing lower than an A all of middle school, 600 Algebra SOL, 570 English SOL.

Waitlist is the next 5-ish percent per middle school. It’s not a Loudoun-wide process. This was the change two years ago so it would be a more equitable process across the county rather than 50% of kids coming from Brambleton.


So Ironic... Posts starts with "do not spread rumors " but it does nothing but post incorrect information/ rumours Can you provide a proof or any online resource for information in that post ?

1) There are no teacher recommendations accepted.
2) .05 percent for exam is so far away from reality.


Yeah, I have two kids that go there and if you ask they’ll tell you their criteria.

Your child’s math and science teachers were given free form text fields for applicants. Go ask them.

And it’s not .05 percent for the exam, it’s the weighting of the qualitative field with standard testing and grades.

You sound big mad about dumping $$$ into kumon or Kaplan and not getting a bid.







😊😊 You are too fast to jump to conclusions .

I have 2 kids who are in AOL( initially waitlisted) Last year , DD had perfect SOL score -as per your criteria - she should have been admitted but waitlisted.

My 3rd one just admitted this year had sol score over 500 but not perfect score , so please save your rhetoric about “ mad” , “dumping $$$$ “.

I know for fact that there is a lottery pool for kids who score more than a cutoff mark.




Just proving my point here…?

There is no lottery. 0 truth.

I know it makes you feel better that the admission is random and a lottery exists (which would be a horrible way to admit to a magnet school, btw) but the best are initially given bids first. Then waitlist, then whatever else.