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Anonymous wrote:How is this not cultural appropriation?

Because the roots of country music (and rock n roll) originated in Africa and the diaspora. She's actually taking it back, good for her

Since humanity originated in Africa, all music originated in Africa, is that your argument. We have been all over the planet for centuries. Not every genre of music and art has been appropriated from Black people.

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“Black Artists Helped Build Country Music—And Then It Left Them Behind”

https://time.com/5673476/ken-burns-country-music-black-artists/

Lots of artists get left behind. Because the entertainment industry has never been fair .

Sure. But color of skin should not be the reason you’re left behind or not.

No it shouldn't. But the woman has more money and grammys than God. So how has she been left behind exactly.

GMAFB.

Can you explain why she has so many Grammys but no album of the year. Statistically insane.

Please show your work.

You go 1st

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Anonymous wrote:No thread about this? I hadn’t realized she dropped two country songs from the new album. Had to Google her CMA performance with the Chicks from years back. I’m a lukewarm Beyoncé fan and I just cannot get into country music so not a good judge if this is any good. It certainly is brave to try another genre. Who has gone from pop/rock to country successfully? I know some have tried but successfully? Seems tough to pull off.

Are you suggesting Beyoncé is pop/rock?

NP. Beyoncé is absolutely pop. Tell me if Dua Lipa was singing covers of Beyoncé songs you would consider it anything other than pop music.

Beyoncé has won 32 Grammys and not a single one has been in a pop category. (Making jay z’s argument).

If she has won 32 grammys then WTF are they complaining about. Two huge overblown egos that need to sit down.

How do you have 32 award winning songs but not an award for the album

Maybe it's only a good song but the album as a whole doesn't make the grade?

Or we could acknowledge that all these awards are BS.

Beyonce and Jay-Z have no perspective. They are raging narcissists.

Statistically impossible to have that many Grammys and not be album of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

Yes, I did all the research for that. It was hard, but I just whipped that statistic out in 4 minutes going through billboard data, calculating and chose those years and began calculating!!!

Not really. I used google. It was on a Wikipedia page about Grammy’s and under representation.

I have since found this:

In contrast to the lack of women artists, artists from underrepresented racial/ethnic groups represented over half of 2021’s artists (57.2%). Across the decade examined, people of color represented 47.8% of the more than 1,900 artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts.

Which is even more damning to the Grammy situation.

Can't win them all. Maybe a lot of people just don't like Beyoncé's music? Her screeching hurts my ears, I'd rather not listen to it.

I don’t like listening to Harry Styles or TS but they won. I just do my best not to listen to them. We’re not on the board, so it doesn’t really matter what we think. It does matter if we don’t understand historical perspective.

If people don't agree with how winners are chosen they don't need to participate in the charade. If they think it's rigged or unfair then opt out.

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Anonymous wrote:No thread about this? I hadn’t realized she dropped two country songs from the new album. Had to Google her CMA performance with the Chicks from years back. I’m a lukewarm Beyoncé fan and I just cannot get into country music so not a good judge if this is any good. It certainly is brave to try another genre. Who has gone from pop/rock to country successfully? I know some have tried but successfully? Seems tough to pull off.

Are you suggesting Beyoncé is pop/rock?

NP. Beyoncé is absolutely pop. Tell me if Dua Lipa was singing covers of Beyoncé songs you would consider it anything other than pop music.

Beyoncé has won 32 Grammys and not a single one has been in a pop category. (Making jay z’s argument).

If she has won 32 grammys then WTF are they complaining about. Two huge overblown egos that need to sit down.

How do you have 32 award winning songs but not an award for the album

Beyonce has a handful of Grammys for best album. Just not AOTY (which TS has 4).

Beyoncé has won several Grammys for best album but not pop or overall best album.

Anonymous wrote:How is this not cultural appropriation?

There are African American cowboys in Texas, Colorado, Oklahoma, and also Florida. I've seen some African American American men in the ranching areas of Florida clearly making big paychecks. They are driving big expensive pickup trucks, wear large silver belt buckles and wear good quality leather cowboy boots. Some of ya'll have not visited "real" Florida.

How is country music cultural appropriation when African Americans grow up in the country?

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

Yes, I did all the research for that. It was hard, but I just whipped that statistic out in 4 minutes going through billboard data, calculating and chose those years and began calculating!!!

Not really. I used google. It was on a Wikipedia page about Grammy’s and under representation.

I have since found this:

In contrast to the lack of women artists, artists from underrepresented racial/ethnic groups represented over half of 2021’s artists (57.2%). Across the decade examined, people of color represented 47.8% of the more than 1,900 artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts.

Which is even more damning to the Grammy situation.

Can't win them all. Maybe a lot of people just don't like Beyoncé's music? Her screeching hurts my ears, I'd rather not listen to it.

I don’t like listening to Harry Styles or TS but they won. I just do my best not to listen to them. We’re not on the board, so it doesn’t really matter what we think. It does matter if we don’t understand historical perspective.

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Who has gone from pop/rock to country successfully?

Darius Rucker

He's just a grifter who segued to country when his soft rock career washed up. See also Kid Rock.

Why is he a grifter? He is a successful artist. He also grew up listening to country. I think he started in rock when he was in college at Univ of South Carolina and rock and roll is played in college bars.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

so you think the billboard top 100 should dictate who wins grammys. So should song of the year have gone to to Macarena in 1996?

You should go back and read the thread. Some were arguing the Grammy’s are a popularity contest, so whites win. I pulled in billboard data to show even if it was a popularity contest, there are more popular black musicians that are achieving Grammy’s.

You may be attempting to make the point that just because you are on the chart, black artists don’t rate as high. That may have a little validity, but I don’t think Beyoncé falls into that category. She usually falls pretty high on the charts.

The US has some great American country artists.

Charley Pride

Kiss an Angel Good Morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRIRTQ_k-Sg

His net worth from country when he died in 2020 was 40 million dollars.

I've had plenty of African American craftsman listen to country music while at work on my house.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

Yes, I did all the research for that. It was hard, but I just whipped that statistic out in 4 minutes going through billboard data, calculating and chose those years and began calculating!!!

Not really. I used google. It was on a Wikipedia page about Grammy’s and under representation.

I have since found this:

In contrast to the lack of women artists, artists from underrepresented racial/ethnic groups represented over half of 2021’s artists (57.2%). Across the decade examined, people of color represented 47.8% of the more than 1,900 artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts.

Which is even more damning to the Grammy situation.

Can't win them all. Maybe a lot of people just don't like Beyoncé's music? Her screeching hurts my ears, I'd rather not listen to it.

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

Yes, I did all the research for that. It was hard, but I just whipped that statistic out in 4 minutes going through billboard data, calculating and chose those years and began calculating!!!

Not really. I used google. It was on a Wikipedia page about Grammy’s and under representation.

I have since found this:

In contrast to the lack of women artists, artists from underrepresented racial/ethnic groups represented over half of 2021’s artists (57.2%). Across the decade examined, people of color represented 47.8% of the more than 1,900 artists on the Billboard Hot 100 Year-End Charts.

Which is even more damning to the Grammy situation.

In 1985 Lionel Ritchie won album of year … beating Tina Turner, Bruce Springsteen, Cyndi Lauper, and Prince.

So, 3 popular black artists with popular albums nominated with 2 popular white artists with popular albums, and Lionel won.

It’s just an award that is a snapshot in time. Nothing more.

PS - I think Jay-Z is just a jerk. His tantrum at the Grammys made him seem petty and jealous...not a good look for anyone...especially a man.
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Let me be clear Jay-Z is a jerk. The angry Black man syndrome he wasn't. If you listened carefully yes he spoke about Beyonce, but also another artist. Specifully DMX was a rapper who release two albums millions of albums were sold. He wasn't even nominated. Rappers boycotted the Grammy's that year. Rap music was labeled as a bunch of angry black man. They have to boycott and fight like hell for their hip-hop genre to be considered as music. Almost every funky song these days has rap included. So yes there are issues here. The big picture Beyonce was the subject but I took as if he was speaking about another artist as well. Is Beyonce singing country? Who's bright idea was that? I listened to both of her songs. Two words HELL NO! I am Rebe Mcintyre fan all the thru. Beyonce's voice doesn't work here. It has a distinct sound that has been great setting her apart from other artists but not here. Jay-Z is nothing but poison in this woman's life. If she truly is serious about country a lot of the songs are stories of heartbreak and infidelity, If not that but still a story or something we can relate to. I do like country music, we have African Americans who sing country music. But something tells me they grew up playing the guitar and listening to country music. You don't go into a studio and cut a couple of records and now you are a Country Western. All to suit Jay-Z's. Let's discuss the big picture for a moment. They sent Carter a message that night. It was humiliating, and personal. How do you have the number one album, but not asked to perform? Why? There was no way they were going to sit and watch Beyonce and Blu-Ivy steal the show. Nor could both parents win awards, and semi-steal the show. Why they are content to keep Beyonce in a box? Come on 32 Grammy's number 1 albums to keep coming up short. I listened to Taylor Swift's album it wasn't a show-stopper. Taylor Smith didn't serve it nor did Adele ( I love Adele's music) dedicated her acceptance speech praising Beyonce's album Lemonade that should have won. Adele broke the Grammy in two and offered the other half to Beyonce. If it's not based on race then what? Their disdain for Jay-Z? He's poison in her life he took a classy young women and turn her into a half naked trophy wife. She once was classy and sexy to some cheap looking whore on a corner. It doesn't matter how much the clothes cost. It's wrong not to play her country music. Let the public decide and the racist or folks who don't know what the hell to think. Stop hating. She deserves the same respect as other artist. There's no lock and key on any genre of music. Play the songs!

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

You make zero sense. TS has won every country and every pop award. Bey has won zero country or pop awards.

Since 1957 only 11 black artists have won album of the year. 11, in almost 70 years.

I’m pretending that racism isn’t a thing that has impacted virtually everything, but context matters.

How many black people were in the US in 1957 and the ensuing years? Hint: they comprised a very small percentage of american demographics but their numbers have obviously increased since then.

How many black singers were in the top spots and what percentage does that equate to?

If album of the year is a popularity contest, then it is what it is…and there have been far more white Americans than black Americans. Of course, those demographics are shifting.

What are you talking about? The black percentage of the population has been remarkably stable — at about 12% — for many decades. Winning an annual prize in 11 of 70 years = 15%. Can anyone whining about representation here do math?

From 2012 to 2020, statistics showed that black artists received only 26.7% of nominations for the awards show while they represented over 38% of all artists on the US Billboard Hot 100 chart.[2]


I’m not whining, I’m stating facts. Here are some statistics for you.

Why are you cherry picking those 8 years?

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Anonymous wrote:This is Jay Z’s attempt to have Beyoncé win best country album to spite T swift… good song though

that makes zero sense - even if Bey won the award, it make so sense that Jay Z or B would think this has any bit of affect on TS

Effect. Makes perfect sense. It’s directed right at swift who started out as a country artist then moved into mainstream pop and robbed Beyoncé of her glory.

NP. It doesn’t make sense. Also, Taylor and Beyoncé have been supporting each other at their respective movie openings.

TS has already won country album of the year. Bey making a country album is zero to TS — literally does not matter in any way.

Fearless beat out I am Sasha Fierce for Album of the Year the same year it also won Country Album of the Year, and songs from the album were also up for best Pop songs against Bey. Jay z’s comment about not being in the right category was directed at swift and his comments about race at the Grammys were a veiled way of saying, this country white lady keeps besting my wife. Now this is their way of saying you can win at pop? Well we can win at country. It may mean nothing to swift but it’s a blatant ploy to try to her Bey a country album award if she can’t win album of the year. Maybe even get her some country music awards too.

I disagree. You truly think for Jay Z/Beyonce getting revenge on taylor swift is bigger than fighting systemic racism? Those are reasons Taylor would use because she is all about personal revenge. That is why her “getting back at the music industry” was not focused on the music industry, but only on the Scooter guy (see the imagery in her video for conformation) Personal revenge like that is not something someone who faced true racism would do, they would be focused more on changing the institution.

Sure okay and that’s why he made a rambling speech about racial discrimination at the Grammys. Because he plans to change the system. No he plans to win his wife a country award to say not just to swift but to the music industry as a whole, you passed my wife over and now we’re going after what is typically a white category. But if you don’t think this has something indirectly to do with swift, you’re wrong. Beyoncé herself may be supportive of her but her husband holds a grudge.

You are missing the bigger picture that black people have been dealing with awards discrimination for decades. IF this is your stance, at least acknowledge the discrimination that blacks have faced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_racial_bias_in_Grammy_Awards#:~:text=Allegations%20of%20racism%20in%20the,the%20controversial%20voting%20process%20itself.

I mean Beyoncé last lost to Adele and Styles, so why do you think this about Taylor, who herself isn’t a country artist anymore?

Maybe you are someone who thinks everything is about Taylor, and no other musicians should exist or compare. I mean Taylor herself is vendetta queen, so if you are overly immersed in her, you may start thinking like that.

If you have any links to bolster your argument, go for it, but it is far fetched to me that everyone is out to get Taylor.

DP. Blacks have faced discrimination in all facets of life for decades. Does that mean Beyonce DESERVES grammys all the time? Nope. Being Black doesn't automatically make someone good or worthy or whatever. Anymore than being white or anything else does.

Some of us think she is awful and it has nothing to do with her being black. But you'll tell us unless we like her and think everything she does is brilliant, we're racist. And it is getting old and undermines cases where we really do need to work on things.

If she’s “awful” why has she won 32 Emmy’s? More than Taylor BTW.

Then she's won enough, probably way more than she deserves. So ungrateful.