I have a twin brother and both of us are just average looking, and I am generous. We have played D1 college sport and played musical instruments, piano and guitar, since the age of five. Both of us dated so many people in college and after college. I will say this: 1- an average looking guy like a five will become an eight if he plays D1 sport; 2- he will jump from an eight to a 10 if he can play either piano or guitar; 3- he will jump from 10 to off the chart if he can sing and make a lot of money, in addition to 1 & 2. It is about what you can bring to the table.

Go to Eastern Europe. Don’t hang out with the typical mail order brides (fake lips, insta look etc) but seek out smart women there. You wil get tons of attention as a foreigner.

A lot of it is confidence. I think a capacity to just easily and comfortably talk to women as people goes a very long way. Yes on focusing in on them and listening. Being able to maintain a fun, interesting conversation (which takes confidence) is highly attractive. My husband is like this and my attracton to him was immediate. He was cute, engaging, had a great laugh, and nearly immediately he felt like family and we had an easy vibe. It made me feel special. Now, 28 years later I can see that it really wasn't me at all, this is how he is with nearly everyone, from my ninety two year old neighbor to a customer service rep on the phone. It's something around charm and being real, open, relatable. Pete Davidson has it, absolutely. It's very attractive, maybe it's just a form of extroversion or just a great comfort level with women overall, I'm not sure.

Anonymous wrote:I "knew" a man who weighed 130 pounds, looked like Crispin Glover and had no money (worked as a librarian!) and was a total womanizer. I think the secret was that he would notice many unique things about a woman that were NOT looks based. He would make her feel special and like the only woman in the world without ever saying anything about her appearance since that would have given her all the power. Of course it was all bull since he jumped from woman to woman but it worked for him.

“Knew”?

Guy here. I'm a major nerd, but can make my highly attractive DW laugh - a lot. She thinks i'm hilarious.

I've also always been determined to get ahead in life (which has largely come to fruition). I'm sure my wife would not have settled for someone lazy and unmotivated since she is neither!

I think some people just have “it”. African American men for example I have seen them get some of the most gorgeous woman (of any race) say compared to Asian men for example.

It’s not always the most handsome or most wealthiest guys who land quality women.

A sense of humor can do wonders.

Look at Pete Davidson for example.

He’s funny as hell & can get any girl he (and everyone else wants!!)

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Anonymous wrote:Good at oral sex, stay in bed after sex, has a good size penis

That's not how you get the attractive women. That's how you keep the attractive women after they've given you a shot.

+8?

I’ve got a big one and its only ever gotten me past the friendzone once. She “happened to find” xl condoms in my stuff. Funny enough, we slept together that night.

I don’t think there’s any way for a woman to know (even if they care) if you’re not a shower.

Women don’t care about size at all.

Are you a woman or an under-sized man?

Confidence and rizz.

I know many short guys who are not particularly attractive who have snagged hot, smart, and rich girlfriends and wives.

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Anonymous wrote:Good at oral sex, stay in bed after sex, has a good size penis

That's not how you get the attractive women. That's how you keep the attractive women after they've given you a shot.

+8?

I’ve got a big one and its only ever gotten me past the friendzone once. She “happened to find” xl condoms in my stuff. Funny enough, we slept together that night.

I don’t think there’s any way for a woman to know (even if they care) if you’re not a shower.

Women don’t care about size at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Good at oral sex, stay in bed after sex, has a good size penis

That's not how you get the attractive women. That's how you keep the attractive women after they've given you a shot.

+8?

I’ve got a big one and its only ever gotten me past the friendzone once. She “happened to find” xl condoms in my stuff. Funny enough, we slept together that night.

I don’t think there’s any way for a woman to know (even if they care) if you’re not a shower.

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Anonymous wrote:Confidence can make an unattractive guy sexy! Too many men think arrogance is confidence but arrogance is the biggest turnoff.

I've seen plenty of arrogant guys that women mistake as confident. These are the ones they end up crying about. "Why is he such an a**hole?" He was always a jerk, and it was pretty obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:Confidence can make an unattractive guy sexy! Too many men think arrogance is confidence but arrogance is the biggest turnoff.

I've seen plenty of arrogant guys that women mistake as confident. These are the ones they end up crying about. "Why is he such an a**hole?" He was always a jerk, and it was pretty obvious.

Anonymous wrote:Good at oral sex, stay in bed after sex, has a good size penis

That's not how you get the attractive women. That's how you keep the attractive women after they've given you a shot.

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But we care waaaaay less than men do. Attraction is only partially based on appearance. We a rule, its always better to be funny than muscular.

Has the relative importance of humor v. physical appearance remained fairly constant as you've gotten older? I've always been funny, but I only felt like women were attracted to that as I got into maybe my later twenties. When I was in high school, it seemed like the girls were chasing the jocks.

There are any number of possible variables, so I don't want to make too much of my experience; but I feel like some of the dynamic has to do with women's tastes in men changing as they matured.