Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.
And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.
Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.
For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.
Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.
We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?
Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.
Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.
Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.
because the Trump Administration adhered to the rule of law and will show sooooo much more compassion to the Palestians than Biden?
Trump and Netyanyahu routinely blew each others horns. Anyone who thinks a Trump win would be a blow to Netanyahu is utterly delusional - apart from the fact that Trump would give a blind eye to Russia continuing to fund, train, and arm Hamas terrorists, which is of zero benefit to the Palestinian people. It would only lead to more bloodshed and innocent Palestinian lives lost in the crossfire.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.
Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.
So…why do you think he’ll fix it?
This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.
Unless you’re a troll.
Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?
When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.
But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.
Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.
One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.
Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.
If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.
I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.
So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?
I am not the PP but I agree and plan to vote Trump. And no, I do not think Trump will seek revenge or threaten our democracy. That is not something I am worried about. I am very worried about immigration and crime and both of those are actually happening.
You don't need to worry about it because you are a white, straight Christian. The rest of us are hearing his words and threats and take them seriously, because he is not joking. But you go on living your privilege.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.
Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.
So…why do you think he’ll fix it?
This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.
Unless you’re a troll.
Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?
When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.
But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.
Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.
One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.
Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.
If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.
I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.
So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?
PP, no, I don’t believe that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Jamie Dimon wants his tax cuts and for the fed to stop regulating him. He knows that “populist” Dementia Don will give him what he wants.
And, then there is Dean Phillips.
While Joe and the left demonize these people who are voting for Trump because they believe he is listening to them, there are some - a few - Democrats who get it. As Dean says, the Democrats are delusional. And, as Jamie Dimon says... the negative talk about MAGA will hurt Joe's campaign. I think it already has.
Exactly. They are still waiting on the new and improved health care plan, Trump promised them every two weeks he was in office. He delivered nothing on his promises. How’s that wall working out?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.
Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.
So…why do you think he’ll fix it?
This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.
Unless you’re a troll.
Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?
When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.
But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.
Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.
One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.
Your complete disconnect from reality is disturbing. This is why our country is going to hell...so many ignorant slubs convinced they know things after being brainwashed by the Right. Trump is a liar, a criminal and a traitor and will only serve himself in a second term. He will have no motivation to remain unchecked. He will flush democracy down the toilet in his own self interest. He is saying what he will do and it's all awful.
Anonymous wrote:
Jamie Dimon wants his tax cuts and for the fed to stop regulating him. He knows that “populist” Dementia Don will give him what he wants.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.
And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.
Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.
For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.
Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.
We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?
Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.
Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.
Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.
because the Trump Administration adhered to the rule of law and will show sooooo much more compassion to the Palestians than Biden?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.
Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.
So…why do you think he’ll fix it?
This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.
Unless you’re a troll.
Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?
When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.
But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.
Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.
One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.
Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.
If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.
I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.
So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?
DP Nope. All the sky is falling in his first term never came about either. The left has been crying wolf about Trump for a long long time now.
All the crap they warned about Trump ends up happening under Biden. WW3 and world on fire. Hyperinflation and declining lifespans.
World is on fire because Russia and Iran are stoking it.
Hyperinflation is a result of COVID and Biden has been more successful than anyone in terms of getting it under control.
Declining lifespans, again a result of COVID as well as declining healthcare because the GOP keeps underfunding or defunding programs that help extend good health and medical practices.
+1. Add in China to take down the U.S. and western influence
Only stupid people can't tell this.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I didn’t vote for Trump in 16 or 20 and probably won’t in 24, but if I’m being honest life was good under the Trump admin. But so was it under Obama.
I remember people crying over the Trump win and just couldn’t wrap my head around it at the time. I think a lot of people just felt bad, but by the numbers, life was pretty good until COVID. And I suspect if trump were to win, my life won’t be much different.
I do lean conservative on the culture war issues though and the Dems have gone a little off the rails there, so I’ve been voting conservative in my locals.
The Titanic was an awesome cruise until it wasn't.
I’m a POC that came from nothing and on the cusp of upper middle class. My life was fine during Trump. BUT, I did think twice about trying not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. So there were certain places I wouldn’t go unless I was in a group with my white friends. I also decided to do more international travel. That wasn’t because of Trump, I had finally cracked $150k, paid off my student loans in 2017 and I have no kids. So I had resources to do more. 4-5 international trips a year, clinging closer to my white friends, largely bypassing rural America, and tuning out news—yeah I didn’t notice a difference in my life.
But then I question why I have to make these adjustments to protect myself. Never thought about these things as much before 2016.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The millions of immigrants talking point doesn’t make sense other than as a talking point.
Trump was President for four years. He had control of the house and senate when he came to power. He didn’t fix immigration. Some of the biggest obstacles to fixing immigration come from interests in his party.
So…why do you think he’ll fix it?
This point might have any intellectual resonance if it was “neither candidate currently running has made the progress I want on immigration” but it’s not a pro Trump point.
Unless you’re a troll.
Is this gaslighting? Because illegal migration fell sharply under Turnip. *Sharply*. And the Democrats fought him tooth and nail the entire time. They opposed every single thing he did to control migration. Remember the children in cages they ranted and screamed about, never mind that it started under Obama?
When Biden took office, illegal migration exploded. Don't you remember the first caravan of 100k illegal migrants marching through Mexico telling the whole world they were going for the border and effectively daring Biden to let them in. And he did. And that sent a message to the world.
But it's hard not to believe that the reason illegal crossings have gotten out of control is because the WH really doesn't care and has no interest in doing anything about it because the policy makers and staffers are firm believers in open borders. Which is why they - do nothing - and sue the border states for actually doing something to control the tide of migration.
Regarding Turnip's popularity, when he was president, he by and large didn't do very much. Cut taxes and made noises about the border and the border wall with some noticeable effects, and did a lot of international diplomacy that, intentional or not, corresponded with a world that had no wars or invasions and yet breakthroughs like the Abrahamic Accords. He was derided for making noises about China and Russia that later turned out to be true (remember when the Germans hysterically blew him off when he told them not to build the Nord Stream pipeline as it would only embolden Putin? Har har). But at home, he left people alone. There was no massive swathes of new bureaucracy, new regulations, new policies, no cancel culture, no judging or shaming or pretending to have the higher moral road. He made fun of the progressive left, but he also left them alone at the same time.
One cannot say that about the Democrats under Biden.
Your version of events under Trump is not even close to accurate. But keep living in your alternate fact based universe. Maybe someday you will come back to Earth prime.
If you turn off your phone, 2016-2020 was not a bad time for our country.
I plan on voting for Trump, if he wins the nomination. I say this after voting for Biden.
So you truly believe that Trump will not take revenge and threaten our democracy? Seriously?
DP Nope. All the sky is falling in his first term never came about either. The left has been crying wolf about Trump for a long long time now.
All the crap they warned about Trump ends up happening under Biden. WW3 and world on fire. Hyperinflation and declining lifespans.
World is on fire because Russia and Iran are stoking it.
Hyperinflation is a result of COVID and Biden has been more successful than anyone in terms of getting it under control.
Declining lifespans, again a result of COVID as well as declining healthcare because the GOP keeps underfunding or defunding programs that help extend good health and medical practices.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm reading this book right now When McKinsey Comes to Town. McKinsey's consultants, largely made up on uber elitists from ivy league schools who live on the coasts, have for years been the architects of wealth inequality. McKinsey consultants were the ones who came up with idea that CEOs needed to make 300x the average worker. It was McKinsey consultants who constantly pushed the idea of off shoring and downsizing that have gutted manufacturing and many middle class jobs. McKinsey consultants are also the ones who also worked for the FDA while simultaneously consulting for Purdue to supercharge sales of opioids. And who paid the price and had their families and lives ruined? All of the poor in those areas the disgusting elitists call flyover country. In another example, McKisney also consulted for the Chinese CCP on artificial island building in the South China Sea while working for the US department of defense. And who'll be sent into the meat grinder when there's a conflict in the SCS? All of the poor people and their kids. There are just so many examples in the book - it's so disturbing.
And people wonder why huge swaths of America hate the liberal costal elitists. I mean just look how many McKinsey almuni infect our govt like virus (Pete Buttgeig, Lael Brainard, etc.). Trump has appeal because he isn't from the same swamp producing and employing the likes of McKinsey consultsnts that have been ruining the country for the last 50 years and creating massive wealth inequality. It's largely the elite college educated, urban Democrats who choose to go work for companies like McKinsey, Wall St. etc. that have been gutting their jobs and destroying the livelihood of the middle class.
Are you sure there are not a good share of Republicans there? My bleeding heart liberal friends joined the peace corps or Teach For America . They took public defender jobs or environmental justice positions. Nothing like the corporate enablers you are describing.
For you and the other PP scoffing at this: do you actually live in a wealthy neighborhood of NYC, SF or the DMV? Do you know a lot of college kids or failing that, the deans or profs at the kinds of schools that produce consultants? Because no, most of the kids hired by the largest consulting cos are not Republicans — not that it matters much.
Everything in the original post is true; for people like me in hardcore blue enclaves who are what Democrats used to be, anti-war and anti-military spending, and for protection of labor, our values are not truly represented in the upper echelons of the party any more. And that does not mean I’m voting for trump nor that I want him to win on any level.
We are still anti-war. Which is why we support diplomacy and things like providing resources to allies so they fight for democracy. Why is this hard to understand?
Wow, thank you so much for the nuances you’ve provided! Shucks, do I feel foolish. I thought that refusing to condition unapproved/Congress-bypassed ceaseless provision of munitions and money to Israel, was in fact not going to slow down the war but you’ve certainly got me.
Some of you are determined to try and a-hole yourselves out of conversation and ultimately out of voters. Not everyone here is a shill, and some of us have had genuine discontent with the party we grew up in and grew up voting for. Honestly, for me it’s tragic at this point. I am appalled by what’s happened in Gaza, I am tired of being sneered at for this. I have the privilege of sending DC to an excellent school, and I also am really troubled by the fact that a poorly funded public was forced to shutter for a day to create shelter for migrants (NYC) while FULLY acknowledging that Abbott and DeSantis shoulder this along with Biden and mayor Adams.
Not everyone is ultimately going to be convinced that not being Trump is enough, and for some, the war and border issues are going to be dissuasive. I think Biden will win, but he needs at this point to run a great campaign in the swing states.