Anonymous
01/14/2024 20:35
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The people who say they will boycott colleges in Florida, Texas, NC, whatever,
are the same who threatened to leave the country if Trump (or fill in the name of whichever Republican was running in various years) won the election. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise—they are all still here.
Not so. Our child was very excited Florida state schools! DeSantis changed this in a span of a year. A shame because it tarnished some great options. Professors and professionals leaving is a marker for long term devaluing of the area and its institutions. Unlike private schools, state schools are bound by these mandates and they do require curriculum overhauls to adhere to conservative agenda. Scary times.
This is it, exactly. Students who are in Florida schools now will probably be fine, but over time, the quality of education offered at these institutions will erode because top instructors don’t want to teach in this environment.
They may be fine now. But 5 years from now when they graduate. 10 years from now when they send out resumes? Once schools get downhill momentum started, it’s a hard thing to stop. FL schools are a risk. Lots of sun and fun schools out there with decent academics that don’t have DeSantis threatening to replace the entire Board of Regents with MAGA. Why risk it?
And to be clear. I would be 100% okay with my kids attending a school with a 50% kind, thoughtful, principled conservative student body. It encourages strong, thoughtful classroom debate and is a personal and academic growing experience, which is what college should be about. But, I want my kids to attend schools that are as close to 0% MAGA as possible. There is no principles, thoughtful debate or even factual debate there.
You want to pretend you’re open minded but you aren’t. You hear “Florida” and immediately it’s MAGA. My kid actually goes to UF and hasn’t encountered those type of people in her environment. At all. Less liberal than here, of course, but her college friends are all liberal and open minded. There may be some conservative events on campus or in the city she ignores, but it’s ok when we can think for ourselves.
There are a hundred college campuses in Florida. It’s quite telling they all just get lumped together.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 18:51
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The people who say they will boycott colleges in Florida, Texas, NC, whatever,
are the same who threatened to leave the country if Trump (or fill in the name of whichever Republican was running in various years) won the election. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise—they are all still here.
Not so. Our child was very excited Florida state schools! DeSantis changed this in a span of a year. A shame because it tarnished some great options. Professors and professionals leaving is a marker for long term devaluing of the area and its institutions. Unlike private schools, state schools are bound by these mandates and they do require curriculum overhauls to adhere to conservative agenda. Scary times.
This is it, exactly. Students who are in Florida schools now will probably be fine, but over time, the quality of education offered at these institutions will erode because top instructors don’t want to teach in this environment.
They may be fine now. But 5 years from now when they graduate. 10 years from now when they send out resumes? Once schools get downhill momentum started, it’s a hard thing to stop. FL schools are a risk. Lots of sun and fun schools out there with decent academics that don’t have DeSantis threatening to replace the entire Board of Regents with MAGA. Why risk it?
And to be clear. I would be 100% okay with my kids attending a school with a 50% kind, thoughtful, principled conservative student body. It encourages strong, thoughtful classroom debate and is a personal and academic growing experience, which is what college should be about. But, I want my kids to attend schools that are as close to 0% MAGA as possible. There is no principles, thoughtful debate or even factual debate there.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 18:44
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.
I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.
I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.
You do realize that Florida is a top 10 school unlike UMD. Florida is running in the ranks of Michigan and UNC. UMD could never. Florida is also higher ranked than any other college in Virginia other than UVA. Where do you people get this stuff? You just spew lies and try to get everyone to believe it when the facts are very clear to anyone who does any research. Wishful babbling, I guess.
No. I have never seen Florida listed as T10.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
It was discussed in this board ad nauseam.
NP. That's not T10. When you just throw out "T10," the indication is overall. I see what you did there. Pretty sneaky, Sis.
If you follow the discussion, the pp is “not impressed” and then gives out UMD and Virginia schools that are better. This is insane!
Right lol. So PP used top 10 to mean top 10 publics…whatever. The point is that saying that UMD and any VA school other than UVA are harder admits is dead wrong.
It’s not whatever. MAGA lives is a fact free world. I get that. But T10 and T10 public are very different things. Actual, not alternative, fact.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 18:42
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.
I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.
I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.
You do realize that Florida is a top 10 school unlike UMD. Florida is running in the ranks of Michigan and UNC. UMD could never. Florida is also higher ranked than any other college in Virginia other than UVA. Where do you people get this stuff? You just spew lies and try to get everyone to believe it when the facts are very clear to anyone who does any research. Wishful babbling, I guess.
No. I have never seen Florida listed as T10.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
It was discussed in this board ad nauseam.
NP. That's not T10. When you just throw out "T10," the indication is overall. I see what you did there. Pretty sneaky, Sis.
If you follow the discussion, the pp is “not impressed” and then gives out UMD and Virginia schools that are better. This is insane!
Right lol. So PP used top 10 to mean top 10 publics…whatever. The point is that saying that UMD and any VA school other than UVA are harder admits is dead wrong.
WM? It’s admitted student stats are almost identical to UVA, in both GPA and test scores (GPA was .02 apart last year). It got killed in USNWR because it has a low number of Pell Grant kids. But that isn’t a metric of admission difficulty.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 18:39
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.
I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.
I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.
You do realize that Florida is a top 10 school unlike UMD. Florida is running in the ranks of Michigan and UNC. UMD could never. Florida is also higher ranked than any other college in Virginia other than UVA. Where do you people get this stuff? You just spew lies and try to get everyone to believe it when the facts are very clear to anyone who does any research. Wishful babbling, I guess.
No. I have never seen Florida listed as T10.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
It was discussed in this board ad nauseam.
NP. That's not T10. When you just throw out "T10," the indication is overall. I see what you did there. Pretty sneaky, Sis.
If you follow the discussion, the pp is “not impressed” and then gives out UMD and Virginia schools that are better. This is insane!
Right lol. So PP used top 10 to mean top 10 publics…whatever. The point is that saying that UMD and any VA school other than UVA are harder admits is dead wrong.
USNWR is not measuring difficulty of admission. At this point, it’s not even measuring academic excellence. It’s measuring social mobility and Pell Grant kids.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 18:35
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Never a hard admit. Now easier. Most intelligent kids prefer to go to schools in states where alternative facts are shunned and true science and reason reign.
I know someone who is very impressed with herself. Too bad nobody else is impressed.
I’m not impressed. But, compared to top VA Colleges and UMD College Park, FL is, in fact, not a hard admit.
You do realize that Florida is a top 10 school unlike UMD. Florida is running in the ranks of Michigan and UNC. UMD could never. Florida is also higher ranked than any other college in Virginia other than UVA. Where do you people get this stuff? You just spew lies and try to get everyone to believe it when the facts are very clear to anyone who does any research. Wishful babbling, I guess.
No. I have never seen Florida listed as T10.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public
It was discussed in this board ad nauseam.
Top 10 public is different from T10, however much you might wish otherwise. PP said T10. Of course, alternative facts are a way of life for MAGA, so not shocked PP conveniently dropped the “public”.
Also, FL only shot up when academic quality metrics were removed from rankings and DEI was emphasized. Which is ironic. Does the conformance to the new USNWR metric mean U FL is WOKE?
Anonymous
01/14/2024 17:08
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not many people were ever looking at FL so...
This.
Florida Man was a thing long before DeSantis became a star. In fact, Florida Man probably brought about DeSantis.
+1
FL attracts a certain type of person.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 17:05
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
Many high school students - of all genders - do take misogyny into account when they're applying to college. Who wants to live in a place that treats women (and immigrants, black people, and LGTBQ kids) like trash?
It's a swamp - literally and figuratively. Worse than DC even.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:48
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Ok like I said you never would have considered Florida in the first place, right? You “look down” on it. The politics didn’t change your mind because you never would have considered it in the first place. This just gives you something to argue about.
If your kid can’t figure out birth control and a backup plan to come home for an abortion, then I’d make sure you keep them out of Florida! That scenario thankfully never had to enter our college considerations nor was it worth turning down a free undergrad in order to take a political stand.
Medical emergencies happen. FL is surrounded by red states. No one thinks they need an abortion until they do. I'm sure Floridians who end up needing this medical procedure will be thankful for blue states when they need this medical care. Imagine if the whole of the US decided to ban abortion like many Rs want. Then you'd have to cross the border to MX to get your medical care. Luckily, both MX (a catholic country) and CA have kept abortion legal.
I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't value my DD's health.
So they actually give her money to go there (also beside the point)…this is all hysterics. There are a lot of places in the US it’s legal besides MX and CA (including most of the area this message board targets with some restrictions). What’s with the pro-CA posting?
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:44
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM
no, I've always felt that way.
-former Californian
What does your weather preference have to do with anything?
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:44
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
I look down on the DC area because of the weather. It's freakin cold as shit up there and icy and windy and grey and ugly and I hate it. In the summer it's hot and humid and there are mosquitos. Spring and Fall are okay but Florida is nice like that about 8 months a year and the rest is totally tolerable to me and not that much hotter than DC in the summer.
Lots of people who look down on FL are okay with it if they want to go to Disney World or have a beach vacation, they'll come down here then. I'm the same way with DC, I don't go up there at all from November to April but after that I don't mind a quick trip to visit my family.
It's humid in FL for more than 4 months out of the year. I can deal with cold weather. The humidity is another story. It's gawdawful. And the mosquitos. Yes, it's bad in DC, but worse in FL.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:42
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Ok like I said you never would have considered Florida in the first place, right? You “look down” on it. The politics didn’t change your mind because you never would have considered it in the first place. This just gives you something to argue about.
If your kid can’t figure out birth control and a backup plan to come home for an abortion, then I’d make sure you keep them out of Florida! That scenario thankfully never had to enter our college considerations nor was it worth turning down a free undergrad in order to take a political stand.
Medical emergencies happen. FL is surrounded by red states. No one thinks they need an abortion until they do. I'm sure Floridians who end up needing this medical procedure will be thankful for blue states when they need this medical care. Imagine if the whole of the US decided to ban abortion like many Rs want. Then you'd have to cross the border to MX to get your medical care. Luckily, both MX (a catholic country) and CA have kept abortion legal.
I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't value my DD's health.
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:36
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM
no, I've always felt that way.
-former Californian
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:29
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM
Anonymous
01/14/2024 16:28
Subject: Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.
But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.
But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.
These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.
My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.
Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.
Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.
What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.
You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.
I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.
-dp
Ok like I said you never would have considered Florida in the first place, right? You “look down” on it. The politics didn’t change your mind because you never would have considered it in the first place. This just gives you something to argue about.
If your kid can’t figure out birth control and a backup plan to come home for an abortion, then I’d make sure you keep them out of Florida! That scenario thankfully never had to enter our college considerations nor was it worth turning down a free undergrad in order to take a political stand.