Anonymous wrote:Im not East Asian but I’d love to see the us specifically open up more immigration from korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore

The us really would be better off if it was 30% East Asian

Anonymous wrote:Can someone give some examples of how the food in America is supposedly so much worse? I have travelled and lived abroad and overall I just don’t see that. We have a lot of choice in the US that in many ways makes it easier to have good food. I don’t choose to eat at places like McDonald’s. Certainly some countries have better options for certain things — eg Irish butter versus American butter, Chilean mollusks versus American. But for instance Chile is so meat/fish focused it’s hard to find nice salads and vegetables. That’s true in many countries in Europe as well. In many countries it’s hard to find nice fresh dairy. I’ve been to some countries where the restaurant food was even more salty than American restaurant food, which amazed me as I find American restaurant food way too salty.
I do think that because other countries have fewer choices for food they tend to serve more stuff that is local and in season. But it’s pretty easy to eat that way here too, if you give up variety.

Different issue but I’m also not impressed with OP being impressed by Singapore and Thailand. That’s like trump raving about the airports in Dubai. That efficiency is built in the back of a lot of misery. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone give some examples of how the food in America is supposedly so much worse? I have travelled and lived abroad and overall I just don’t see that. We have a lot of choice in the US that in many ways makes it easier to have good food. I don’t choose to eat at places like McDonald’s. Certainly some countries have better options for certain things — eg Irish butter versus American butter, Chilean mollusks versus American. But for instance Chile is so meat/fish focused it’s hard to find nice salads and vegetables. That’s true in many countries in Europe as well. In many countries it’s hard to find nice fresh dairy. I’ve been to some countries where the restaurant food was even more salty than American restaurant food, which amazed me as I find American restaurant food way too salty.
I do think that because other countries have fewer choices for food they tend to serve more stuff that is local and in season. But it’s pretty easy to eat that way here too, if you give up variety.

Different issue but I’m also not impressed with OP being impressed by Singapore and Thailand. That’s like trump raving about the airports in Dubai. That efficiency is built in the back of a lot of misery. No thank you.

Wait until you learn about how America was built, lol.

Anonymous wrote:Can someone give some examples of how the food in America is supposedly so much worse? I have travelled and lived abroad and overall I just don’t see that. We have a lot of choice in the US that in many ways makes it easier to have good food. I don’t choose to eat at places like McDonald’s. Certainly some countries have better options for certain things — eg Irish butter versus American butter, Chilean mollusks versus American. But for instance Chile is so meat/fish focused it’s hard to find nice salads and vegetables. That’s true in many countries in Europe as well. In many countries it’s hard to find nice fresh dairy. I’ve been to some countries where the restaurant food was even more salty than American restaurant food, which amazed me as I find American restaurant food way too salty.
I do think that because other countries have fewer choices for food they tend to serve more stuff that is local and in season. But it’s pretty easy to eat that way here too, if you give up variety.

Different issue but I’m also not impressed with OP being impressed by Singapore and Thailand. That’s like trump raving about the airports in Dubai. That efficiency is built in the back of a lot of misery. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are some of you so triggered by someone questioning the direction their country is going in? I have dual citizenship in an EU country, and people there openly criticize their government and want to see certain things improve. I have never once heard anyone tell them to leave if they don't like it. Shouldn't we all strive to make the country we live in a better place?

There are many things to improve here. But OP didn't say that when she returns, she sees things to improve (as well as things to appreciate), she said she wants to leave permanently for somewhere, anywhere, else.

Fine. Then go. We'll be here, working on the improvements, while she takes the money she has earned here and enjoys it somewhere else.

How exactly do you improve things in the U.S. when corporations own the govt? Citizens United, hello?


Look at Boeing. They killed hundreds of people due to manufacturing quality control issues. Many insiders blew whistles. And yet they continue to operate and now a door blew out. Just yet another example of how corporations run the U.S. govt, no one ever goes to jail for corporate crimes, and nothing changes.


You think the U.S. will ever improve their infrastructure, healthcare, and gun violence when the automobile lobby, insurance lobby, and gun lobby run the govt? lol, what a lost cause.

Totally agree. People don’t realize the havoc the citizens united decision caused in this country. This country is run solely by corporations now and politicians don’t care about domestic issues. It’s all about corporate interests and profits because that is what funds their campaigns. I think even in 2008 when Obama won there was some hope for this country but ever since that dreadful scotus decision, things have been going downhill with absolutely no signs of improving. Everything is a mess and the people are suffering. The rich keep getting richer and the middle class is getting crushed. Our children truly have no future in this country especially our girls.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

I think it's really sad that pointing out that we allow the destruction of children because we are beholden to gun culture is hysteria. Nowhere else on earth with a functional government allows this.

That, of course, was not the hysteria.

See rather “disgusting” and “nation in decline” and “putting off the inevitable”.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

I think it's really sad that pointing out that we allow the destruction of children because we are beholden to gun culture is hysteria. Nowhere else on earth with a functional government allows this.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.

I think it's really sad that pointing out that we allow the destruction of children because we are beholden to gun culture is hysteria. Nowhere else on earth with a functional government allows this.

Anonymous wrote:Im not East Asian but I’d love to see the us specifically open up more immigration from korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore

The us really would be better off if it was 30% East Asian

Anonymous wrote:Can someone give some examples of how the food in America is supposedly so much worse? I have travelled and lived abroad and overall I just don’t see that. We have a lot of choice in the US that in many ways makes it easier to have good food. I don’t choose to eat at places like McDonald’s. Certainly some countries have better options for certain things — eg Irish butter versus American butter, Chilean mollusks versus American. But for instance Chile is so meat/fish focused it’s hard to find nice salads and vegetables. That’s true in many countries in Europe as well. In many countries it’s hard to find nice fresh dairy. I’ve been to some countries where the restaurant food was even more salty than American restaurant food, which amazed me as I find American restaurant food way too salty.
I do think that because other countries have fewer choices for food they tend to serve more stuff that is local and in season. But it’s pretty easy to eat that way here too, if you give up variety.

Different issue but I’m also not impressed with OP being impressed by Singapore and Thailand. That’s like trump raving about the airports in Dubai. That efficiency is built in the back of a lot of misery. No thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, you know, you could always emigrate if it's that hard.

Yup, seriously thinking about it. Gun violence is way out of control and will never end. Driving everywhere sucks. Food sucks. Tipping culture sucks. Healthcare costs suck. Childcare costs suck. I dunno even know if the country can even survive another Trump presidency before he starts WW3 with Iran and North Korea.

The Cold War has already started. We are fighting Iran around Yemen. We will soon be fighting China over Taiwan especially now that the non-CCP approves candidate won, we are fighting Russia in Ukraine, Hamas in Palestine. These are all proxy wars.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, you know, you could always emigrate if it's that hard.

Yup, seriously thinking about it. Gun violence is way out of control and will never end. Driving everywhere sucks. Food sucks. Tipping culture sucks. Healthcare costs suck. Childcare costs suck. I dunno even know if the country can even survive another Trump presidency before he starts WW3 with Iran and North Korea.

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Anonymous wrote:When you have to come back to horribly inferior food quality, obscene prices for everything and sooooooo much crime. It’s amazing when you can travel to a major city in the world and see ZERO gun deaths for literally days and weeks on end. There’s better public infrastructure that embarrasses the U.S., things are a lot more walkable, healthcare is way more afford, and things just work. Man, it gets harder and harder to return after every trip abroad. The only thing worth retuning for are the salaries and that’s about it.

I agree with you on healthcare, college, infrastructure and gun safety…the prices doesn’t really make sense. Maybe Thailand, Malaysia are what you are referring? I guess prices are low and while it’s not national healthcare…out of pocket and insurance is very low.

Europe, clearly you pay through the nose for gas, groceries, booze, etc…but that does fund the other social benefits.

Even in Japan, dining out is cheap for the Japanese earning Japanese yen. We literally stayed at our friend’s house there and talked about it. Yes, sure, you can spend a lot on elite dining in Tokyo, but there are soooooooooo many cheap to middle level options fir dining that are out of this world and way more affordable even by Japanese standards. And no tipping. The food quality at the grocery stores in all of those countries is superior, which is inexcusable given that the U.S. has vastly more room to grow food than an island nation like Japan. The quality of fruits in Thailand blows anything out of the water in the U.S., and you can buy like 2 kg of oranges for about $3, which is cheap even by Thai standards.


We also needed an ER visit in Thailand for a broken wrist. The wait time was less than 30 minutes. X-rays, cast, medication and a follow up visit: grand total of $314. And that was completely out of pocket with zero insurance. So, soooooo much better than getting bankrupted for HC in the US even when you have insurance.

Yes, but you are mixing and matching. I get that Thailand is cheap, but the infrastructure is not the same as SK, Japan or Singapore.

I have no idea on out of pocket healthcare in SK or Japan or Singapore. Is it cheap?

You have to admit though that people are fundamentally unhappy about something in the Asian systems when it comes to children. Birthrates are nonexistent and women are always complaining about the inequality they face.

The fertility rate gap vanishes if you adjust for bastard rate for the most part

Having kids out of wedlock is very taboo in Asia

American tfr is 1.6/1.7 but if it had Asian levels of illegitimacy, it would crash down to 1.2/1.3 - similar to Japan

Ok, except you are claiming that life is so great in Asian countries. If that was the case, wouldn’t their birth rates be much higher?

It’s fine as a visitor, but actually being a native is much different. Wages are so low in Japan that a medical professional in Japan can make more as a waitress/waiter in Australia.

Life is so stressful in SK that parents are suing the proctor of an 11th grade exam for ending an 8 hour test 1 minute early. That test basically determines your life and kids starting in 8th grade go to normal school followed by 8 hours of cram school.

I mean the moral of your story is get rich in the US and then move. I get it.

My spouse is a dual citizen, and we are thinking exactly this.

Please leave sooner rather than later and absolutely renounce your US citizenship for yourself and your children. This way you can't come running back to to US safety when whatever county you move to is invaded by Russia.

eh.. Russia compromised a POTUS (Trump) and many of our country's leaders (Graham).

But, I guess you agree that Russia is trying to invade other countries, and Putin is a dictator. Makes you wonder why Trump likes Putin so much.

Oh, and I don't have to renounce my citizenship. There's this great thing called "dual citizenship". My kids also have dual citizenship.

Do you really think your kids having shooter drills and lockdowns is a normal part of childhood? I guess it is now in the US. Sad that we've normalized this.

This. We are a disgusting country. It's really hard to come to terms with the fact that so many of your fellow citizens are such horrific monsters who care more about their guns than children.

American is in decline. We can elect Biden again and escape the chaos Trump will bring, but we're really just putting off the inevitable at this point. The best you can hope for is that you live in a little pocket of the country you like.

The hysteria is getting tiresome.

By most objective measures, we’re better off than any people who’ve ever lived in the entire history of humanity.

Our biggest problem is people who are too myopic to recognize this fact.