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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

No necessarily true! 300k sounds a lot. But after tax, medical and retirement deduction, it is lucky if could take home half of it. With other kids to support, who can afford to use 50% of take home money paying for one kid’s college expenses?

Still not middle class - you live in the DC bubble, so you think anything under $1m per year is "middle class". GMAFB.

OP, many private sector people make less than you, stop trying to play martyr.

Two incomes 150k each is not that wealthy to live in dc area with age 50+ plus multiple kids

Omg. I make 1/3 of this and my kids are going to college. Unreal

Your kid is going to a $70K/yr college with no financial aid?

OP is talking about a college that is $70k+/year college.

Yes, they probably can pay if they made the sacrifices that most posters aren't willing to make. Every $10K vacation, nope, you go to a $2K vacation or skip it and put it in the college fund. See how that works?

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

NP: I personally wouldn't pay $80K for college--don't think it is worth it for 99% of colleges; however, your analysis leaves out any savings (for emergencies, etc.) and a 529 or investments/assets that could be used to pay for college. Your assumption is that the family is cashflowing the entire cost per year. I also wouldn't max out 401k for 4-5 years while 1-2 kids are in college if your 401k is already at a healthy amount.

Yes, I made the assumption that the PP stated they could pay for private college with $300HHI because they didn't state that.

If our 529 had $250K+, sure, but I don't think the PP has that much in their 529.

Like I said, we have enough for in state in our 529, but at $80/year with two kids, we'd still have to cash flow at least $300K.

And I disagree about not maxing out retirement. What is a "healthy" amount in retirement ? We aren't feds, so we have to pay for our own health insurance. I'm not planning to work until I'm 65.

You can always borrow to pay for college; can't do that for retirement.

Again, you are making life choices.. if you will not work until 65, which is what you project you'll need to, you need to change your lifestyle or accept your kids cannot go to any school you/they want.

well, duh, of course it's about life choices, but the PP thought $300K was plenty to pay for $80k/year private. My point is that it's really not unless you ONLY save for college, have one child, and don't want to go on vacations (and I'm not even talking about luxury vacations), or buy a new car, or have reasonable emergency savings, or live in a good school cluster (public not private).

We don't drive expensive cars, I drive a subaru. My spouse is from the UK, and we go see their family every couple of years. My family lives out west, so we go see them the other years. Family of four. Do you know how expensive that gets. I suppose I could prioritize college savings, and not see our elderly parents biannually.

yes, it's all about life choices. My kids have learned that. My DC now in college has learned that going to an expensive school outside of T10 is not a good deal. That spending $300K+ for four years just so you like the feel of the campus for 4 years is shortsighted. If you take out loans for those expensive four years, you'll be paying off that loan for the next 20 years.

But, those are our opinions and our choices.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

I'm guessing you weren't always making 300k. If you had put away half of each pay raise when your kid was born, by age 18 you would have plenty in a 529 to pay for college. No one is saying that you should pay all of college with current income. You should have saved for the last 18 years

Most people haven't been making $300k for 20 years. We are self employed, so there are no raises.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

NP: I personally wouldn't pay $80K for college--don't think it is worth it for 99% of colleges; however, your analysis leaves out any savings (for emergencies, etc.) and a 529 or investments/assets that could be used to pay for college. Your assumption is that the family is cashflowing the entire cost per year. I also wouldn't max out 401k for 4-5 years while 1-2 kids are in college if your 401k is already at a healthy amount.

Yes, I made the assumption that the PP stated they could pay for private college with $300HHI because they didn't state that.

If our 529 had $250K+, sure, but I don't think the PP has that much in their 529.

Like I said, we have enough for in state in our 529, but at $80/year with two kids, we'd still have to cash flow at least $300K.

And I disagree about not maxing out retirement. What is a "healthy" amount in retirement ? We aren't feds, so we have to pay for our own health insurance. I'm not planning to work until I'm 65.

You can always borrow to pay for college; can't do that for retirement.

Again, you are making life choices.. if you will not work until 65, which is what you project you'll need to, you need to change your lifestyle or accept your kids cannot go to any school you/they want.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

No necessarily true! 300k sounds a lot. But after tax, medical and retirement deduction, it is lucky if could take home half of it. With other kids to support, who can afford to use 50% of take home money paying for one kid’s college expenses?

Still not middle class - you live in the DC bubble, so you think anything under $1m per year is "middle class". GMAFB.

OP, many private sector people make less than you, stop trying to play martyr.

Two incomes 150k each is not that wealthy to live in dc area with age 50+ plus multiple kids

Omg. I make 1/3 of this and my kids are going to college. Unreal

Your kid is going to a $70K/yr college with no financial aid?

OP is talking about a college that is $70k+/year college.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

NP: I personally wouldn't pay $80K for college--don't think it is worth it for 99% of colleges; however, your analysis leaves out any savings (for emergencies, etc.) and a 529 or investments/assets that could be used to pay for college. Your assumption is that the family is cashflowing the entire cost per year. I also wouldn't max out 401k for 4-5 years while 1-2 kids are in college if your 401k is already at a healthy amount.

Yes, I made the assumption that the PP stated they could pay for private college with $300HHI because they didn't state that.

If our 529 had $250K+, sure, but I don't think the PP has that much in their 529.

Like I said, we have enough for in state in our 529, but at $80/year with two kids, we'd still have to cash flow at least $300K.

And I disagree about not maxing out retirement. What is a "healthy" amount in retirement ? We aren't feds, so we have to pay for our own health insurance. I'm not planning to work until I'm 65.

You can always borrow to pay for college; can't do that for retirement.

Anonymous wrote:I know that Pitt, UMBC, and Case Western made offers of merit aid this year without the FAFSA, for those wondering which schools require what. But I believe Case required the CSS to be filled out.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

No necessarily true! 300k sounds a lot. But after tax, medical and retirement deduction, it is lucky if could take home half of it. With other kids to support, who can afford to use 50% of take home money paying for one kid’s college expenses?

Still not middle class - you live in the DC bubble, so you think anything under $1m per year is "middle class". GMAFB.

OP, many private sector people make less than you, stop trying to play martyr.

Two incomes 150k each is not that wealthy to live in dc area with age 50+ plus multiple kids

Omg. I make 1/3 of this and my kids are going to college. Unreal

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

No necessarily true! 300k sounds a lot. But after tax, medical and retirement deduction, it is lucky if could take home half of it. With other kids to support, who can afford to use 50% of take home money paying for one kid’s college expenses?

So many Americans would be thrilled to be able to get medical and retirement through an employer, even as a deduction.

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

I'm guessing you weren't always making 300k. If you had put away half of each pay raise when your kid was born, by age 18 you would have plenty in a 529 to pay for college. No one is saying that you should pay all of college with current income. You should have saved for the last 18 years

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Anonymous wrote:If my income was $300k I would have zero problems being able to pay for my kid to go to an expensive, private college. You need a dose of reality

$300k puts you in a 30% combined tax bracket if you live in MD, about 27% in VA. Don't forget, SALT deductions are limited, so you will probably take the standard deduction.

If you are 50+, you want to max out your 401k contribution and add the catch up extra $7500, which brings it to like $30K per person.

So, your income will look something like this:

1. 60K 401k (assuming both are 50+ and contributing the max, which you should at that income level)
2. taxes around $60K to $65K

That leaves you with 300K - 120k = $180k.

Let's say your annual expenses is something like $100K/yr in just expenses. You would have $80k left. But that just pays for room and board. Travel and other costs will rack up more. That's just one kid. Many of us have more than one kid who will be in college at the same time.

You will also not have any wiggle room for large emergency expenses or even vacation. If your car breaks down (like ours just did), you'd have to get a loan at 6% to 7%.

My DC is at the state flagship with some merit aid. We told this DC, who had super high stats, to not do ED at the expensive colleges. We cannot afford it, yes, even with $300K per year. It would leave us with so little wiggle room, that we'd be eating hand to mouth for the next 7 years -- we have two kids, and DH is 60. We have enough in the 529s for in state. That would barely cover 2 years of private.

I think you are the one who needs a dose of reality.

NP: I personally wouldn't pay $80K for college--don't think it is worth it for 99% of colleges; however, your analysis leaves out any savings (for emergencies, etc.) and a 529 or investments/assets that could be used to pay for college. Your assumption is that the family is cashflowing the entire cost per year. I also wouldn't max out 401k for 4-5 years while 1-2 kids are in college if your 401k is already at a healthy amount.

Anonymous wrote:My wife and I are both gs14 fed employee with combined income around $300k pretax. This is quite common for middle class in dc area. We’re told not to bother filling up FAFSA or any financial aid since we won’t be qualified for anything so we won’t apply. Is it true for anyone in our situation?

Now, if kid gets into a private college with annual expenses 70k+, how middle class manages to pay for it without any aids or scholarships?

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Anonymous wrote:merit based scholarships do require FAFSA however they are hard to come by, you almost have to go down two notches school ranking wise to score some.

This is totally wrong. Almost NO schools require FAFSA for merit awards. We did not fill out FAFSA and my kid got merit aid offers from a dozen different schools.

And submitting FAFSA is not required to keep the award?

Of course not. These are merit awards. FAFSA is specifically for determining need based financial aid.

DP. Educate yourself. Perhaps your child would have been offered yet more scholarships if you had. (It's certainly not all merit-based scholarships, but it is certainly some of them.)

Some merit-based aid
Some merit-based aid, like scholarships, may need you to fill out the FAFSA. For example, schools may hand out merit scholarships but require you to fill out the FAFSA to consider you.

And even a private organization might want to see that you did the FAFSA to consider you for an award.

https://www.mos.com/blog/is-fafsa-required/

The short answer is yes, you can get scholarships without the FAFSA. But, not filing the FAFSA may limit your scholarship opportunities.

Here are a few things you should know about the relationship between FAFSA and scholarships. And more importantly, why we strongly recommend filling out the FAFSA if you’re applying to college or are already in college.

Most schools don’t require students to fill out the FAFSA to qualify for merit scholarships. However, this is not standard practice. Scholarship policies vary from one college to another. Some colleges may not offer merit aid to students who have not filled out the FAFSA. Additionally, some private schools may also require students to file the FAFSA to avail of scholarships.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/paying-for-college/articles/scholarship-search-applications/can-you-earn-scholarships-without-the-fafsa/

The FAFSA is a form that determines your financial need, allowing you to be eligible for federal financial aid. However, you may come across some merit-based scholarships—awards based on talent, academics, hobbies, ethnicity, etc—still require you to file the FAFSA.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/paying-for-college/articles/questions-answers/merit-scholarships-require-fafsa-filed/

Which colleges require the FAFSA for merit-based scholarships?

Q: I'm starting to look into scholarships and someone mentioned that some colleges demand you fill out the FAFSA to be considered for merit-based scholarships. Is this a common practice? And how do I find out which schools have this requirement?

A: Yes, it’s not unusual for schools to require the FAFSA for merit-based scholarships.

https://www.collegevine.com/faq/9677/which-colleges-require-the-fafsa-for-merit-based-scholarships

Why doesn't somebody provide a damn link of the schools that REQUIRE FAFSA or CSS for MERIT AID (not need based financial aid)?

You are disclosing a ton of private financial information if you aren't going to get it anyway AND most schools are 'need aware'. The donut holes get screwed with 'need aware'. If you indicate you are applying for need-based aid, they are more likely to take a kid that isn't (unless it's a poor, first gen needy kid) because its about yield. They know a lot of those families won't cough up the $85-90k year if accepted without any $ so they won't yield. They want kids that will accept.

+1. The only schools that I know that require FAFSA for a just of few of their merit based scholarships are Fordham and Villanova. I would love to see some of the "file the FAFSA" boosters provide some links to actual MERIT scholarships or schools that say they require the FAFSA or CSS to be considered for merit awards. Those links would really do this debate a service but those FAFSA boosters never provide any links or name any schools.

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Anonymous wrote:merit based scholarships do require FAFSA however they are hard to come by, you almost have to go down two notches school ranking wise to score some.

This is totally wrong. Almost NO schools require FAFSA for merit awards. We did not fill out FAFSA and my kid got merit aid offers from a dozen different schools.

And submitting FAFSA is not required to keep the award?

Of course not. These are merit awards. FAFSA is specifically for determining need based financial aid.

DP. Educate yourself. Perhaps your child would have been offered yet more scholarships if you had. (It's certainly not all merit-based scholarships, but it is certainly some of them.)

Some merit-based aid
Some merit-based aid, like scholarships, may need you to fill out the FAFSA. For example, schools may hand out merit scholarships but require you to fill out the FAFSA to consider you.

And even a private organization might want to see that you did the FAFSA to consider you for an award.

https://www.mos.com/blog/is-fafsa-required/

The short answer is yes, you can get scholarships without the FAFSA. But, not filing the FAFSA may limit your scholarship opportunities.

Here are a few things you should know about the relationship between FAFSA and scholarships. And more importantly, why we strongly recommend filling out the FAFSA if you’re applying to college or are already in college.

Most schools don’t require students to fill out the FAFSA to qualify for merit scholarships. However, this is not standard practice. Scholarship policies vary from one college to another. Some colleges may not offer merit aid to students who have not filled out the FAFSA. Additionally, some private schools may also require students to file the FAFSA to avail of scholarships.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/paying-for-college/articles/scholarship-search-applications/can-you-earn-scholarships-without-the-fafsa/

The FAFSA is a form that determines your financial need, allowing you to be eligible for federal financial aid. However, you may come across some merit-based scholarships—awards based on talent, academics, hobbies, ethnicity, etc—still require you to file the FAFSA.

https://www.collegeraptor.com/paying-for-college/articles/questions-answers/merit-scholarships-require-fafsa-filed/

Which colleges require the FAFSA for merit-based scholarships?

Q: I'm starting to look into scholarships and someone mentioned that some colleges demand you fill out the FAFSA to be considered for merit-based scholarships. Is this a common practice? And how do I find out which schools have this requirement?

A: Yes, it’s not unusual for schools to require the FAFSA for merit-based scholarships.

https://www.collegevine.com/faq/9677/which-colleges-require-the-fafsa-for-merit-based-scholarships

Why doesn't somebody provide a damn link of the schools that REQUIRE FAFSA or CSS for MERIT AID (not need based financial aid)?

You are disclosing a ton of private financial information if you aren't going to get it anyway AND most schools are 'need aware'. The donut holes get screwed with 'need aware'. If you indicate you are applying for need-based aid, they are more likely to take a kid that isn't (unless it's a poor, first gen needy kid) because its about yield. They know a lot of those families won't cough up the $85-90k year if accepted without any $ so they won't yield. They want kids that will accept.

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Anonymous wrote:HHI $240k, when 2nd started college this fall, and we had two attending, and the combined cost was $117k for the year (will go up in future years), we thought for sure they would receive some need based aid. l completed the FAFSA last October. NOPE. Neither of them received any need based aid

Are both kids in public university that don't require CSS?

One is in a public that does not require the CSS one is in a private that dies require it. Doesn't matter, they both got nothing. We both work and always have. The $240 is the income we have now, not what we had 20+ years ago, when the kids were born and we spent so much on day care. We started the 529s when the kids came out of daycare, but it's not enough to cover private college