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Anonymous wrote:I read about this and was disgusted by it. His sentence was ridiculously light.

He should have been tried as an adult. He did some pretty heinous crimes.

I hope this guy gets expelled if he is in school. No one should have to go to school with someone like that.

I hope Arlington, VA gets blasted in the national news for this too.

Groping = “heinous”?

wow thanks for revealing yourself. yes, hiding in the bushes to jump out and grope FIVE women (while filming it!) is heinous and pretty much proof of a very disturbed mind. I don’t think he should be in jail but probably some kind of residential treatment facility for at least a year. something is seriously wrong with him.

Please. These sexual assaults are closer to pranks than a heinous crime.

wtf is wrong with you? it is not a “prank” to stalk and jump women at night to grab their genitals and film it.

He grabbed the crotch of her pants. No genitals were touched.

Right, and if I punch you in your face while I have work gloves on no assult occurred.

1. more minimizing here - "it's not assault, she had pants on!"

and 2. bravo person replying - literal spit take, there is tea on my screen now.

Stop lying. No one said “it wasn’t assault”. Just that he didn’t actually touch her “genitals”.

Wait so like...if you grab someones boobs above the shirt you didn't touch their boobs, you touched their shirt?
This position is deeply not defensible friend.

"Genitals" means vulva/vagina and is misrepresentative of what happened. He grabbed her "crotch" from behind which was reported as "buttocks".
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/arlington/teen-arrested-in-connection-to-assault-in-arlington/65-b53ab683-80b9-481c-bc25-91210c716b92

There is some threshold for it to be considered sexual assault/battery and his actions did NOT meet that threshold.

What he did was wrong - 100%. I'm sure the victims feel violated. He should be punished and receive treatment. But don't pretend like it was something much more serious just to push some political narrative.

you are disgusting. he grabbed her crotch and was trying to pull her pants down. of ALL the crimes for you to be trying to minimize …

I am not sure what he was charged with or convicted of, but this is *absolutely* a form of sexual assault.

Definition of sexual abuse in Virginia:

“ 6. "Sexual abuse" means an act committed with the intent to sexually molest, arouse, or gratify any person, where:

a. The accused intentionally touches the complaining witness's intimate parts or material directly covering such intimate parts”

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Anonymous wrote:I read about this and was disgusted by it. His sentence was ridiculously light.

He should have been tried as an adult. He did some pretty heinous crimes.

I hope this guy gets expelled if he is in school. No one should have to go to school with someone like that.

I hope Arlington, VA gets blasted in the national news for this too.

Groping = “heinous”?

wow thanks for revealing yourself. yes, hiding in the bushes to jump out and grope FIVE women (while filming it!) is heinous and pretty much proof of a very disturbed mind. I don’t think he should be in jail but probably some kind of residential treatment facility for at least a year. something is seriously wrong with him.

Please. These sexual assaults are closer to pranks than a heinous crime.

wtf is wrong with you? it is not a “prank” to stalk and jump women at night to grab their genitals and film it.

He grabbed the crotch of her pants. No genitals were touched.

Right, and if I punch you in your face while I have work gloves on no assult occurred.

1. more minimizing here - "it's not assault, she had pants on!"

and 2. bravo person replying - literal spit take, there is tea on my screen now.

Stop lying. No one said “it wasn’t assault”. Just that he didn’t actually touch her “genitals”.

Wait so like...if you grab someones boobs above the shirt you didn't touch their boobs, you touched their shirt?
This position is deeply not defensible friend.

"Genitals" means vulva/vagina and is misrepresentative of what happened. He grabbed her "crotch" from behind which was reported as "buttocks".
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/arlington/teen-arrested-in-connection-to-assault-in-arlington/65-b53ab683-80b9-481c-bc25-91210c716b92

There is some threshold for it to be considered sexual assault/battery and his actions did NOT meet that threshold.

What he did was wrong - 100%. I'm sure the victims feel violated. He should be punished and receive treatment. But don't pretend like it was something much more serious just to push some political narrative.

The victim is quoted calling it her crotch in the news article you linked. I assure you women do not refer to their buttocks as "crotches" - she means her vulva by that.

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Anonymous wrote:I read about this and was disgusted by it. His sentence was ridiculously light.

He should have been tried as an adult. He did some pretty heinous crimes.

I hope this guy gets expelled if he is in school. No one should have to go to school with someone like that.

I hope Arlington, VA gets blasted in the national news for this too.

Groping = “heinous”?

wow thanks for revealing yourself. yes, hiding in the bushes to jump out and grope FIVE women (while filming it!) is heinous and pretty much proof of a very disturbed mind. I don’t think he should be in jail but probably some kind of residential treatment facility for at least a year. something is seriously wrong with him.

Please. These sexual assaults are closer to pranks than a heinous crime.

wtf is wrong with you? it is not a “prank” to stalk and jump women at night to grab their genitals and film it.

He grabbed the crotch of her pants. No genitals were touched.

Right, and if I punch you in your face while I have work gloves on no assult occurred.

1. more minimizing here - "it's not assault, she had pants on!"

and 2. bravo person replying - literal spit take, there is tea on my screen now.

Stop lying. No one said “it wasn’t assault”. Just that he didn’t actually touch her “genitals”.

Wait so like...if you grab someones boobs above the shirt you didn't touch their boobs, you touched their shirt?
This position is deeply not defensible friend.

"Genitals" means vulva/vagina and is misrepresentative of what happened. He grabbed her "crotch" from behind which was reported as "buttocks".
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/arlington/teen-arrested-in-connection-to-assault-in-arlington/65-b53ab683-80b9-481c-bc25-91210c716b92

There is some threshold for it to be considered sexual assault/battery and his actions did NOT meet that threshold.

What he did was wrong - 100%. I'm sure the victims feel violated. He should be punished and receive treatment. But don't pretend like it was something much more serious just to push some political narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

it’s an extremely bizarre case to choose to make the “they’re just kids” argument. truthfully I am more sympathetic to a young teen who gets pressured by peers/adults to carjack - they deserve a chance to be rehabilitated (after a swift & appropriate sentence). but THIS kid is a budding serial rapist. There’s no excuse or explanation.

You're aware that the sympathetic carjacking teens are given no swift or appropriate sentence? Your example is exactly the point. This teen is being given a consequence, albeit not swift. We are debating whether it's appropriate - whereas the armed carjacking teens are given no sentence at all and continue to merrily assault people and wreck cars.

right. my point is (as strange as it sounds) that younger teens falling under very bad influences are good cases for second chances; but serial sex abusers are not.

DC agrees with you. Second chances, third chances, fourth chances until they get to 12 and murder someone.

Utterly ridiculous fearmongering.

GFTO.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

it’s an extremely bizarre case to choose to make the “they’re just kids” argument. truthfully I am more sympathetic to a young teen who gets pressured by peers/adults to carjack - they deserve a chance to be rehabilitated (after a swift & appropriate sentence). but THIS kid is a budding serial rapist. There’s no excuse or explanation.

You're aware that the sympathetic carjacking teens are given no swift or appropriate sentence? Your example is exactly the point. This teen is being given a consequence, albeit not swift. We are debating whether it's appropriate - whereas the armed carjacking teens are given no sentence at all and continue to merrily assault people and wreck cars.

right. my point is (as strange as it sounds) that younger teens falling under very bad influences are good cases for second chances; but serial sex abusers are not.

DC agrees with you. Second chances, third chances, fourth chances until they get to 12 and murder someone.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

it’s an extremely bizarre case to choose to make the “they’re just kids” argument. truthfully I am more sympathetic to a young teen who gets pressured by peers/adults to carjack - they deserve a chance to be rehabilitated (after a swift & appropriate sentence). but THIS kid is a budding serial rapist. There’s no excuse or explanation.

You're aware that the sympathetic carjacking teens are given no swift or appropriate sentence? Your example is exactly the point. This teen is being given a consequence, albeit not swift. We are debating whether it's appropriate - whereas the armed carjacking teens are given no sentence at all and continue to merrily assault people and wreck cars.

right. my point is (as strange as it sounds) that younger teens falling under very bad influences are good cases for second chances; but serial sex abusers are not.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say this kid jumped out of the bushes with the intention of groping a woman. The woman doesn’t know his intention. He immediately grabs her crotch. She assumes she’ll be raped and chooses fight mode. She pulls out her legally registered concealed gun and shoots the perp with the intention of preventing rape. She’s a sharp shooter and he dies. She’s charged with manslaughter at best or murder. Is this justice? These degenerates need to be rehabilitated in prison for the duration of extent of the crime. I’m not a Republican.

So 5 minutes for each assault? Guess he's being treated disproportionately roughly. How unfair.

Would a woman be justified in shooting him? Probably. That doesn't make his assault heinous though.

Who are you to deem it not heinous? And the truly heinous part is that he filmed it and did it FIVE times. Where do you think a kid like this is heading?

Calling groping “heinous” minimizing the crimes that actually are “heinous”.

His future isn’t written in stone. He is a minor and should be guided towards doing the right thing, not thrown away in jail for a long time.

there is something wrong with this person mentally. it’s not lack of “guidance.” it’s a mental issue and possibly a history of abuse. serial sexual abusers start young. but very nice that you care so much about him, and nothing about his future victims of escalated assaults.

DP. He was caught and he is facing consequences.

Future victims? Are you Cassandra, is this Minority Report? Why is he already irredeemable and deserving of life in prison to some posters on this thread?

You have your head extremely in the sand. But please - elucidate what’s going on with a 17 year old to stalk and jump out on female victims to grope them at night, five times (that we know of) and film it? What leads to this behavior and what makes you think it won’t escalate.

We don't cane or whip people in this country anymore. Since you think this behavior will escalate, what do you think would be a more appropriate or effective consequence?

A longer juvenile detention, longer sentence if parole violated, and confinement for at least 2 years to a residential treatment facility. After that, parole that lasts at least 10 years requiring compliance with ongoing treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say this kid jumped out of the bushes with the intention of groping a woman. The woman doesn’t know his intention. He immediately grabs her crotch. She assumes she’ll be raped and chooses fight mode. She pulls out her legally registered concealed gun and shoots the perp with the intention of preventing rape. She’s a sharp shooter and he dies. She’s charged with manslaughter at best or murder. Is this justice? These degenerates need to be rehabilitated in prison for the duration of extent of the crime. I’m not a Republican.

So 5 minutes for each assault? Guess he's being treated disproportionately roughly. How unfair.

Would a woman be justified in shooting him? Probably. That doesn't make his assault heinous though.

Who are you to deem it not heinous? And the truly heinous part is that he filmed it and did it FIVE times. Where do you think a kid like this is heading?

Calling groping “heinous” minimizing the crimes that actually are “heinous”.

His future isn’t written in stone. He is a minor and should be guided towards doing the right thing, not thrown away in jail for a long time.

there is something wrong with this person mentally. it’s not lack of “guidance.” it’s a mental issue and possibly a history of abuse. serial sexual abusers start young. but very nice that you care so much about him, and nothing about his future victims of escalated assaults.

DP. He was caught and he is facing consequences.

Future victims? Are you Cassandra, is this Minority Report? Why is he already irredeemable and deserving of life in prison to some posters on this thread?

You have your head extremely in the sand. But please - elucidate what’s going on with a 17 year old to stalk and jump out on female victims to grope them at night, five times (that we know of) and film it? What leads to this behavior and what makes you think it won’t escalate.

We don't cane or whip people in this country anymore. Since you think this behavior will escalate, what do you think would be a more appropriate or effective consequence?

A longer juvenile detention, longer sentence if parole violated, and confinement for at least 2 years to a residential treatment facility. After that, parole that lasts at least 10 years requiring compliance with ongoing treatment.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

Dude one million percent the people defending a kids right to grab a woman as long as it's over the clothes are not Arlington liberals. GTFO with that.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

it’s an extremely bizarre case to choose to make the “they’re just kids” argument. truthfully I am more sympathetic to a young teen who gets pressured by peers/adults to carjack - they deserve a chance to be rehabilitated (after a swift & appropriate sentence). but THIS kid is a budding serial rapist. There’s no excuse or explanation.

You're aware that the sympathetic carjacking teens are given no swift or appropriate sentence? Your example is exactly the point. This teen is being given a consequence, albeit not swift. We are debating whether it's appropriate - whereas the armed carjacking teens are given no sentence at all and continue to merrily assault people and wreck cars.

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So 5 minutes for each assault? Guess he's being treated disproportionately roughly. How unfair.

Would a woman be justified in shooting him? Probably. That doesn't make his assault heinous though.

Who are you to deem it not heinous? And the truly heinous part is that he filmed it and did it FIVE times. Where do you think a kid like this is heading?

Calling groping “heinous” minimizing the crimes that actually are “heinous”.

His future isn’t written in stone. He is a minor and should be guided towards doing the right thing, not thrown away in jail for a long time.

there is something wrong with this person mentally. it’s not lack of “guidance.” it’s a mental issue and possibly a history of abuse. serial sexual abusers start young. but very nice that you care so much about him, and nothing about his future victims of escalated assaults.

DP. He was caught and he is facing consequences.

Future victims? Are you Cassandra, is this Minority Report? Why is he already irredeemable and deserving of life in prison to some posters on this thread?

You have your head extremely in the sand. But please - elucidate what’s going on with a 17 year old to stalk and jump out on female victims to grope them at night, five times (that we know of) and film it? What leads to this behavior and what makes you think it won’t escalate.

We don't cane or whip people in this country anymore. Since you think this behavior will escalate, what do you think would be a more appropriate or effective consequence?

Anonymous wrote:This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

it’s an extremely bizarre case to choose to make the “they’re just kids” argument. truthfully I am more sympathetic to a young teen who gets pressured by peers/adults to carjack - they deserve a chance to be rehabilitated (after a swift & appropriate sentence). but THIS kid is a budding serial rapist. There’s no excuse or explanation.

This thread is really an insight into the mind of the soft-on-crime Arlington voter. It's never-ending apologies for the criminal, and not caring at all about the victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say this kid jumped out of the bushes with the intention of groping a woman. The woman doesn’t know his intention. He immediately grabs her crotch. She assumes she’ll be raped and chooses fight mode. She pulls out her legally registered concealed gun and shoots the perp with the intention of preventing rape. She’s a sharp shooter and he dies. She’s charged with manslaughter at best or murder. Is this justice? These degenerates need to be rehabilitated in prison for the duration of extent of the crime. I’m not a Republican.

So 5 minutes for each assault? Guess he's being treated disproportionately roughly. How unfair.

Would a woman be justified in shooting him? Probably. That doesn't make his assault heinous though.

Who are you to deem it not heinous? And the truly heinous part is that he filmed it and did it FIVE times. Where do you think a kid like this is heading?

Calling groping “heinous” minimizing the crimes that actually are “heinous”.

His future isn’t written in stone. He is a minor and should be guided towards doing the right thing, not thrown away in jail for a long time.

there is something wrong with this person mentally. it’s not lack of “guidance.” it’s a mental issue and possibly a history of abuse. serial sexual abusers start young. but very nice that you care so much about him, and nothing about his future victims of escalated assaults.

DP. He was caught and he is facing consequences.

Future victims? Are you Cassandra, is this Minority Report? Why is he already irredeemable and deserving of life in prison to some posters on this thread?

You have your head extremely in the sand. But please - elucidate what’s going on with a 17 year old to stalk and jump out on female victims to grope them at night, five times (that we know of) and film it? What leads to this behavior and what makes you think it won’t escalate.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s say this kid jumped out of the bushes with the intention of groping a woman. The woman doesn’t know his intention. He immediately grabs her crotch. She assumes she’ll be raped and chooses fight mode. She pulls out her legally registered concealed gun and shoots the perp with the intention of preventing rape. She’s a sharp shooter and he dies. She’s charged with manslaughter at best or murder. Is this justice? These degenerates need to be rehabilitated in prison for the duration of extent of the crime. I’m not a Republican.

So 5 minutes for each assault? Guess he's being treated disproportionately roughly. How unfair.

Would a woman be justified in shooting him? Probably. That doesn't make his assault heinous though.

Who are you to deem it not heinous? And the truly heinous part is that he filmed it and did it FIVE times. Where do you think a kid like this is heading?

Calling groping “heinous” minimizing the crimes that actually are “heinous”.

His future isn’t written in stone. He is a minor and should be guided towards doing the right thing, not thrown away in jail for a long time.

there is something wrong with this person mentally. it’s not lack of “guidance.” it’s a mental issue and possibly a history of abuse. serial sexual abusers start young. but very nice that you care so much about him, and nothing about his future victims of escalated assaults.

DP. He was caught and he is facing consequences.

Future victims? Are you Cassandra, is this Minority Report? Why is he already irredeemable and deserving of life in prison to some posters on this thread?