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Anonymous wrote:I'm a graduate of a very liberal college and I keep abreast of the news, and have friends who are faculty at a variety of colleges. Higher education is increasingly a left wing totalitarianship to the point it's uncomfortable, even for many liberal people.

If you're upset at RDS and New College and Florida's attempts at breaking the left hegemony over higher education, then you're only a hypocrite.

OP here.

I don't know if you read my op, but I'm not a liberal. I'm an Independent, and right leaning in some ways.

However, what Desantis is doing at that college is going too far. He's even wanting to fund private Christian schools. That is the anti-thesis of the separation of church and state, something that is enshrined in our Constitution. I'm finding that a lot of Rs these days are picking and choosing what items in the Constitution they want to follow.

Yes, higher ed is mostly full of liberals. How did you think it got that way? Rs seem to be anti-education, but only if it's lead by liberals. They seem pro education when it comes to Christian schools.

And btw, I am a Christian, but I'm not a fundamentalist, and I know that not everyone appreciates or supports Christianity in public schools.

I would not be surprised if Desantis wants to remake all public colleges in the image of the R party.

You act as though DeSantis invented school choice programs. Even MoCo provides financial subsidies to Christian schools, like providing bus services.

I think you're listening to a propagandized version of Florida politics that doesn't properly contextualize the issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a graduate of a very liberal college and I keep abreast of the news, and have friends who are faculty at a variety of colleges. Higher education is increasingly a left wing totalitarianship to the point it's uncomfortable, even for many liberal people.

If you're upset at RDS and New College and Florida's attempts at breaking the left hegemony over higher education, then you're only a hypocrite.

OP here.

I don't know if you read my op, but I'm not a liberal. I'm an Independent, and right leaning in some ways.

However, what Desantis is doing at that college is going too far. He's even wanting to fund private Christian schools. That is the anti-thesis of the separation of church and state, something that is enshrined in our Constitution. I'm finding that a lot of Rs these days are picking and choosing what items in the Constitution they want to follow.

Yes, higher ed is mostly full of liberals. How did you think it got that way? Rs seem to be anti-education, but only if it's lead by liberals. They seem pro education when it comes to Christian schools.

And btw, I am a Christian, but I'm not a fundamentalist, and I know that not everyone appreciates or supports Christianity in public schools.

I would not be surprised if Desantis wants to remake all public colleges in the image of the R party.

Anonymous wrote:Love it. My kid goes to one.

If you don’t like it, don’t send your kid there.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

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The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

Please describe how he trying to erase them. Be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

Ive lived in Florida. Yes, some areas of the state have excellent healthcare, some areas are health care deserts. The question is for the future not the present. Will Florida continue to have excellent healthcare in ob-gyn, primary care and pediatrics. The rural hospitals are already closing maternity wards and ob-gyn services due to lack of physicians. Is Tallahassee, Orlando and Jacksonville soon to follow.

Most rural areas struggle with healthcare in any state.

Whoosh. Try reading to understand and not to respond.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Thank you.

+100
The inanity of claiming LGBT people "aren't welcome" - just because they are now being treated like everyone else instead? How refreshing!

No, they are not being treated as equal. DeSantis has made it clear he is trying to erase them.

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Anonymous wrote:Pushing out DEI and lgbtq+ friendly leadership
Installing R politicians as leaders in colleges rather than people who have experience in academia
Changing admissions criteria by making it more cisgender friendly via recruited athletes
Pushing out existing staff and students

https://www.yahoo.com/news/changes-bring-friction-lawsuits-florida-174345971.html

This is something that the Nazis would've done, and smacks of what they did as a precursor to extermination. Obviously, Desantis and his cronies wouldn't go that far, but pushing out existing staff and students to suit their agenda reminds of the Nazis pushing out the Jews into the ghettos.

FWIW, I am a cisgender female, moderate, sometimes leaning on the conservative side a bit. But, what I see going on in FL is kind of scary.

I was thinking DC might apply to a FL college, but I don't think that's going to happen now. DC is not gay but has a lot of lgbtq friends. FL is becoming very lgbtq unfriendly.

Seems enrollment is up and gender studies and DEI is out.
That is a good thing. Gender studies is a road to nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a graduate of a very liberal college and I keep abreast of the news, and have friends who are faculty at a variety of colleges. Higher education is increasingly a left wing totalitarianship to the point it's uncomfortable, even for many liberal people.

If you're upset at RDS and New College and Florida's attempts at breaking the left hegemony over higher education, then you're only a hypocrite.

OP here.

I don't know if you read my op, but I'm not a liberal. I'm an Independent, and right leaning in some ways.

However, what Desantis is doing at that college is going too far. He's even wanting to fund private Christian schools. That is the anti-thesis of the separation of church and state, something that is enshrined in our Constitution. I'm finding that a lot of Rs these days are picking and choosing what items in the Constitution they want to follow.

Yes, higher ed is mostly full of liberals. How did you think it got that way? Rs seem to be anti-education, but only if it's lead by liberals. They seem pro education when it comes to Christian schools.

And btw, I am a Christian, but I'm not a fundamentalist, and I know that not everyone appreciates or supports Christianity in public schools.

I would not be surprised if Desantis wants to remake all public colleges in the image of the R party.

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Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

Ive lived in Florida. Yes, some areas of the state have excellent healthcare, some areas are health care deserts. The question is for the future not the present. Will Florida continue to have excellent healthcare in ob-gyn, primary care and pediatrics. The rural hospitals are already closing maternity wards and ob-gyn services due to lack of physicians. Is Tallahassee, Orlando and Jacksonville soon to follow.

Most rural areas struggle with healthcare in any state.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a graduate of a very liberal college and I keep abreast of the news, and have friends who are faculty at a variety of colleges. Higher education is increasingly a left wing totalitarianship to the point it's uncomfortable, even for many liberal people.

If you're upset at RDS and New College and Florida's attempts at breaking the left hegemony over higher education, then you're only a hypocrite.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure how a thread on changes to an honors college in Florida became derailed by abortion but….

New College is an extremely left leaning honors college with no sports teams and no grades - only pass/fail. The changes are really extreme given this background. But at the same time, I see the word “cisgender,” and I tune out. Older generations of the college have found the current students, often obnoxious and absurd in that way only people who drop the Nazi bomb over everything can be. (By the way, I wonder how offensive it would be to actual Holocaust victims to hear the left hand wring “Nazi!” All the damn time).

So it’s concerning yet at the same time by adding conservative students you are creating diversity beyond the echo chamber that existed before. I don’t think New College was the sort of place anyone to the middle or right would have been comfortable attending before.

Generally speaking, people of color and people who are LGBTQ do not want to be around people who don't believe they have the right to exist or the right to have the same freedoms as themselves. So when people like you both-sides this, you fail to see life through the oppressed people's lens. If you cannot accept or acknowledge the two-tiered experience, then you shouldn't be commenting on it with any authority. So no, not exactly.

thank you.

And what does a political person know about running a college? Why did Desantis install a political person rather than an academic person to make change?

Aren't there conservative colleges around that conservative people can attend? Why do they need to upend that college?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Great! Just make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

On the contrary, she is family oriented and wants to marry and have children one day. So we are primarily considering lifestyle, culture, and economy rather than focusing on abortion availability.

So, you think the only people who get abortions are women who don't want children?
I had a medicated abortion for an ectopic (methotrexate). I assure you, it was very much a wanted pregnancy, and my DH and I were devastated. I have a friend who had to abort at 21 weeks due to a fetal anomaly that could have ended up killing her. Also a wanted pregnancy.
I would discourage my daughters from moving to a state where their ability to receive adequate healthcare, should they have a dangerous pregnancy, is compromised.

Florida has excellent healthcare. I would not be concerned in case of a dangerous pregnancy.

Ive lived in Florida. Yes, some areas of the state have excellent healthcare, some areas are health care deserts. The question is for the future not the present. Will Florida continue to have excellent healthcare in ob-gyn, primary care and pediatrics. The rural hospitals are already closing maternity wards and ob-gyn services due to lack of physicians. Is Tallahassee, Orlando and Jacksonville soon to follow.