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Anonymous wrote:Remember to look at how this list is put together though. I'm not a huge fan of how USNWR does them. They basically survey a bunch of old dudes affiliated with CS programs (your kid could probably email a bunch of respected profs and industry professionals and get a better ranking):
"Top academics and officials at computer science programs rated the overall quality of undergraduate programs with which they were familiar on a 1-5 scale. A school’s undergraduate computer science rank is solely determined by its average of scores received from these surveys."

how would you rate a CS program, then?

People look at various rankings, and some on here use Poets & Quants, which is a ranking based on alumni survey.

NP. I would consider PhD rates for one thing. True, not everyone wants to pursue, but they are highly selective and students pursuing CS PhDs tend to be among the best prepared upon finishing college. Interestingly, certain LACs do very well with CS PhD placement. Swarthmore and Carleton come to mind. I think LACs tend to be be underrated in all the discipline specific rankings because administrators tend to think of schools known for their research rather than their undergrad instruction when ranking by discipline.

Ranking CS programs on PhD rates? That's silly.

Vast majority of CS grads don't pursue PhDs.

It’s a data point, but if you don’t think PhD CS programs know which undergrad programs are high quality year after year (the same schools tend to dominate over decades), then perhaps consider head to head competitions. There’s an intercollegiate CS league. Last year Carleton finished ahead of seven of the Ivies. The year before Swarthmore finished ahead of all of them.

Another interesting data point: when you cross reference the per capita PhD list and PayScale's career salary lists for computer science, 11 schools are in the top 25 of both lists:

Harvey Mudd
MIT
Stanford
CMU
Princeton
Brown
Harvard
Duke
Dartmouth
Yale
WPI

And the first 4 are in the top 10 on both lists.

Don’t forget about cost of living differences. Student populations skew towards the region and even the state a school is located in. That can deflate data for schools in the Midwest and the South on raw salary rankings.

Does that really factor in to CS though? And none of these are regional schools.

From what I have seen, most schools, even highly selective ones, pull disproportionately from the states and regions in which they are based. Moreover, students are disproportionately more likely to settle in the state or region their school was located, at least for an amount of time that would be picked up by CollegeScorecard and PayScale data. So yes I think it affects CS data. My advice is to pick a school you already trust in a given state or region to serve as a calibration for comparing other schools to.

Anonymous wrote:UC Berkeley, being a large public school, has limited advising (long waits). I guess some students don't care about that.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember to look at how this list is put together though. I'm not a huge fan of how USNWR does them. They basically survey a bunch of old dudes affiliated with CS programs (your kid could probably email a bunch of respected profs and industry professionals and get a better ranking):
"Top academics and officials at computer science programs rated the overall quality of undergraduate programs with which they were familiar on a 1-5 scale. A school’s undergraduate computer science rank is solely determined by its average of scores received from these surveys."

how would you rate a CS program, then?

People look at various rankings, and some on here use Poets & Quants, which is a ranking based on alumni survey.

NP. I would consider PhD rates for one thing. True, not everyone wants to pursue, but they are highly selective and students pursuing CS PhDs tend to be among the best prepared upon finishing college. Interestingly, certain LACs do very well with CS PhD placement. Swarthmore and Carleton come to mind. I think LACs tend to be be underrated in all the discipline specific rankings because administrators tend to think of schools known for their research rather than their undergrad instruction when ranking by discipline.

Ranking CS programs on PhD rates? That's silly.

Vast majority of CS grads don't pursue PhDs.

It’s a data point, but if you don’t think PhD CS programs know which undergrad programs are high quality year after year (the same schools tend to dominate over decades), then perhaps consider head to head competitions. There’s an intercollegiate CS league. Last year Carleton finished ahead of seven of the Ivies. The year before Swarthmore finished ahead of all of them.

Another interesting data point: when you cross reference the per capita PhD list and PayScale's career salary lists for computer science, 11 schools are in the top 25 of both lists:

Harvey Mudd
MIT
Stanford
CMU
Princeton
Brown
Harvard
Duke
Dartmouth
Yale
WPI

And the first 4 are in the top 10 on both lists.

Don’t forget about cost of living differences. Student populations skew towards the region and even the state a school is located in. That can deflate data for schools in the Midwest and the South on raw salary rankings.

Does that really factor in to CS though? And none of these are regional schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember to look at how this list is put together though. I'm not a huge fan of how USNWR does them. They basically survey a bunch of old dudes affiliated with CS programs (your kid could probably email a bunch of respected profs and industry professionals and get a better ranking):
"Top academics and officials at computer science programs rated the overall quality of undergraduate programs with which they were familiar on a 1-5 scale. A school’s undergraduate computer science rank is solely determined by its average of scores received from these surveys."

how would you rate a CS program, then?

People look at various rankings, and some on here use Poets & Quants, which is a ranking based on alumni survey.

NP. I would consider PhD rates for one thing. True, not everyone wants to pursue, but they are highly selective and students pursuing CS PhDs tend to be among the best prepared upon finishing college. Interestingly, certain LACs do very well with CS PhD placement. Swarthmore and Carleton come to mind. I think LACs tend to be be underrated in all the discipline specific rankings because administrators tend to think of schools known for their research rather than their undergrad instruction when ranking by discipline.

Ranking CS programs on PhD rates? That's silly.

Vast majority of CS grads don't pursue PhDs.

It’s a data point, but if you don’t think PhD CS programs know which undergrad programs are high quality year after year (the same schools tend to dominate over decades), then perhaps consider head to head competitions. There’s an intercollegiate CS league. Last year Carleton finished ahead of seven of the Ivies. The year before Swarthmore finished ahead of all of them.

Another interesting data point: when you cross reference the per capita PhD list and PayScale's career salary lists for computer science, 11 schools are in the top 25 of both lists:

Harvey Mudd
MIT
Stanford
CMU
Princeton
Brown
Harvard
Duke
Dartmouth
Yale
WPI

And the first 4 are in the top 10 on both lists.

Don’t forget about cost of living differences. Student populations skew towards the region and even the state a school is located in. That can deflate data for schools in the Midwest and the South on raw salary rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

How did they game this then

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

DP. The problem with the college transitions list is that it's only a dozen companies. Having worked as a software exec, I wouldn't tell my kid studying CS to prioritize applying to those 12 out of college. I would advise they look for smaller companies doing something that the larger ones aren't. If that company takes off, congrats, you got in early! If not, you can try to bring the knowledge of something different to a larger company as a more senior hire or, better, through an acquisition. Or start your own company after gaining the broader experience more likely at a small company.

Not suggesting those 12 companies or 25 schools aren't great places to be. But I think it's a mistake to conclude those are the only great places to be, or even the best places.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

How did they game this then

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

The school bribed the companies to hire its graduates

Doubtful. But go ahead and believe your version of "the truth" - be sure to be adamant and repetitive about it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

How did they game this then

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

The school bribed the companies to hire its graduates

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

How did they game this then

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

How did they game this then

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-tech

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Anonymous wrote:Remember to look at how this list is put together though. I'm not a huge fan of how USNWR does them. They basically survey a bunch of old dudes affiliated with CS programs (your kid could probably email a bunch of respected profs and industry professionals and get a better ranking):
"Top academics and officials at computer science programs rated the overall quality of undergraduate programs with which they were familiar on a 1-5 scale. A school’s undergraduate computer science rank is solely determined by its average of scores received from these surveys."

how would you rate a CS program, then?

People look at various rankings, and some on here use Poets & Quants, which is a ranking based on alumni survey.

NP. I would consider PhD rates for one thing. True, not everyone wants to pursue, but they are highly selective and students pursuing CS PhDs tend to be among the best prepared upon finishing college. Interestingly, certain LACs do very well with CS PhD placement. Swarthmore and Carleton come to mind. I think LACs tend to be be underrated in all the discipline specific rankings because administrators tend to think of schools known for their research rather than their undergrad instruction when ranking by discipline.

Ranking CS programs on PhD rates? That's silly.

Vast majority of CS grads don't pursue PhDs.

Not silly even so. It is apart of the big picture, just like early and mid career salaries are a part of the picture, even though some will go to Wall Street and some will teach high school.

dp.. it is silly for CS because the vast majority do not go on to PhDs. So, why would a CS major care about CS PhD programs?

You are looking at it from the wrong angle. It's not about every student in the program wanting a Phd; it's about who is in the class and how PhD programs view their preparation, whether they go on to a Phd or not.

The only angle you have is that you don't like the list so you're looking at *anything* that makes your list better.

Most CS students do.not.care about CS PhD programs, so they do not care who and how many CS students are going to a PhD program, not do they care how a PhD program views how well they are prepared for a PhD program.

Geez you're think headed.

Most CS students don't care about CS PhD programs at least partly because they have no chance of getting into an ultra-selective and funded program that helps to future proof their education. Understand that most CS PhDs don't end up in academia. Also, there is greater risk now than 20 years ago that those with bachelor's only education in CS will see their career prospects reduced by AI regurgitation of existing solutions (not to mention the more familiar threat of outsourcing). In my opinion most CS majors with a GPA over 3.5 are interested in at least a MS even if they don't pursue, usually because they don't get in to the program they want. It would be great if the NSF tracked undergrad origins of CS MS recipients, but to my knowledge they don't publish such a thing. PhD origins is the closest thing to that.

oh good lord.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

By having their professors write a lot of papers, obviously. They also have conferences where they feature mostly their own papers.

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Northeastern is #11 overall and #4 among privates.
How did they game this

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Anonymous wrote:If you just look at AI for the last 5 years 2018 -2023
https://csrankings.org/#/fromyear/2018/toyear/2023/index?ai&us

1 ► Carnegie Mellon University closed chart 41.3 44
2 ► University of Maryland - College Park closed chart 37.4 23
3 ► Univ. of California - Los Angeles closed chart 25.6 16
4 ► University of Virginia closed chart 25.5 20
5 ► Rutgers University closed chart 24.5 17
6 ► University of Southern California closed chart 23.7 25
7 ► Arizona State University closed chart 22.1 22
8 ► Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign closed chart 21.3 21
9 ► Harvard University closed chart 19.9 11
10 ► Pennsylvania State University closed chart 18.8 18
11 ► Northeastern University closed chart 18.7 19
12 ► Georgia Institute of Technology closed chart 18.3 29
13 ► University of Illinois at Chicago closed chart 17.5 16
14 ► Massachusetts Institute of Technology closed chart 17.4 29
15 ► Cornell University closed chart 17.0 13
15 ► University of Texas at Dallas closed chart 17.0 17
17 ► University of Texas at Austin closed chart 16.6 12
17 ► Washington University in St. Louis closed chart 16.6 10
19 ► University of Massachusetts Amherst closed chart 16.0 15
20 ► Rice University closed chart 15.5 10
21 ► University of Michigan closed chart 15.4 17
22 ► University of Notre Dame closed chart 15.1 11
23 ► University at Buffalo closed chart 14.8 16
24 ► University of Central Florida closed chart 13.9 16
25 ► Univ. of California - Berkeley closed chart 13.6 19

Isn't AI the biggest thing in CS?