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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

What’s the point of your post??? That you and your family are genetically gifted and don’t have to try hard, whereas others have to grind? How dumb do you have to be to write something like this?

Also, I live in a highly coveted area with so called high achievers and families like you are a dime a dozen, get off your high horse.

I am seriously trying to wrap my head around the ramblings in your post, your neighborhood has rich people, a foreign diplomat blah blah… who writes stuff like that? If you went to an ivy and this is your intellectual level that all ivys should be banned.

Such a loser!

The point of my post is that we do not put pressure on our kids and they don’t suffer from mental illness. We absolutely are a dime a dozen. We are surrounded by successful and smart people. Our kids are also smart. They have smart friends with smart parents.

My kids are happy well adjusted kids and have friends who also seem healthy and happy. This goes for both kids in public and private.

Are there a few kids who struggle mentally in both schools? Probably.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

What’s the point of your post??? That you and your family are genetically gifted and don’t have to try hard, whereas others have to grind? How dumb do you have to be to write something like this?

Also, I live in a highly coveted area with so called high achievers and families like you are a dime a dozen, get off your high horse.

I am seriously trying to wrap my head around the ramblings in your post, your neighborhood has rich people, a foreign diplomat blah blah… who writes stuff like that? If you went to an ivy and this is your intellectual level that all ivys should be banned.

Such a loser!

The point of my post is that we do not put pressure on our kids and they don’t suffer from mental illness. We absolutely are a dime a dozen. We are surrounded by successful and smart people. Our kids are also smart. They have smart friends with smart parents.

My kids are happy well adjusted kids and have friends who also seem healthy and happy. This goes for both kids in public and private.

Are there a few kids who struggle mentally in both schools? Probably.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

What’s the point of your post??? That you and your family are genetically gifted and don’t have to try hard, whereas others have to grind? How dumb do you have to be to write something like this?

Also, I live in a highly coveted area with so called high achievers and families like you are a dime a dozen, get off your high horse.

I am seriously trying to wrap my head around the ramblings in your post, your neighborhood has rich people, a foreign diplomat blah blah… who writes stuff like that? If you went to an ivy and this is your intellectual level that all ivys should be banned.

Such a loser!

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

Pp here. We live in an affluent and highly competitive area, the exact type of school pyramid OP is referring to. Both boys were flagged gifted and in the gifted program in public. Dh and I are both ivy educated and we have a seven figure HHI. DH is one of those guys who is just really good at everything and our oldest is like him. They both excel and make it look easy. My younger kid is very bright but just puts no effort in school. He is just as smart, if not naturally smarter than his older brother. We know that being bright is not enough and thought he would just get lost in a big public school so we switched him to private.

Our neighborhood is full of rich and successful people. Everyone seems on top of their industries. You can’t live here if you are random lawyer, not even a biglaw associate. They are the biglaw partners and those guys all send their kids to private. There are tech executives, politicians, lobbyists, surgeons and some professional athletes. We have some neighbors who are foreign diplomats or just rich and bought a home in the US. There are more modest neighborhoods that feed into our highly regarded public school and those are the MC/UMC kids who grind. I don’t necessarily think their parents were the super successful ones so they may put lots of pressure on their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone in DCUM is an exception to the rule and that their kid is an academic star !!!

I posted above that I have 1 academic superstar and another who isn’t. He is a smart kid but a total slacker. He would not keep up with the academic superstars.

Our public school is massive and competitive for everything whether it is to get on a sports team or academic competitions. This kid tried science Olympiad and it was obvious he was not interested. He also did not get an A in math. He is probably the only Asian kid who didn’t get an A in math.

Basically the first kid is an academic superstar and the second is a smart kid. In other words, everyone in DCUM has smart kids. That proves my point.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

Your kids will not be doomed to financial mediocrity if they do not strive to be "the best." Yes, work ethic is important within reason, doing well in school is important within reason. But striving at the cost of your kids' mental health is clearly self-defeating. And for what? Bragging rights?

My older step kids went to small liberal arts colleges that DCUM would scoff at and both are doing extremely well in their careers now. They got full rides and were at or near the top of their classes in college without trying too hard. Neither of them had to experience the high stress culture of HYP strivers in high school. They are no less financially well off than my husband and I were at their age, and we went to elite universities and chose high-stress competitive careers. I do not want our kids as stressed out as we were. Past a certain level of effort, the gains are not worth it. It's important to teach them balance.

You are missing the point. They don’t have to do “the best,” but they should be doing their best. Giving half effort at school and taking easy classes and not challenging and applying themselves will become their default. It will carry over into other aspects of their life.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

Your kids will not be doomed to financial mediocrity if they do not strive to be "the best." Yes, work ethic is important within reason, doing well in school is important within reason. But striving at the cost of your kids' mental health is clearly self-defeating. And for what? Bragging rights?

My older step kids went to small liberal arts colleges that DCUM would scoff at and both are doing extremely well in their careers now. They got full rides and were at or near the top of their classes in college without trying too hard. Neither of them had to experience the high stress culture of HYP strivers in high school. They are no less financially well off than my husband and I were at their age, and we went to elite universities and chose high-stress competitive careers. I do not want our kids as stressed out as we were. Past a certain level of effort, the gains are not worth it. It's important to teach them balance.

You are missing the point. They don’t have to do “the best,” but they should be doing their best. Giving half effort at school and taking easy classes and not challenging and applying themselves will become their default. It will carry over into other aspects of their life.

I think you are also missing the point. Pushing a kid to do "their best" can also be detrimental. Each kid can work X number of hours and do reasonably well relative to their own ability level without negative mental health outcomes. They should still have downtime and time to socialize and not be anxious at this point. Or you can push them to work twice as hard for a supposedly better outcome at the expense of their mental health, simply so they can perform at their best. At our school we see plenty of kids pushed beyond what is reasonable, because parents always think they should be able to do better.

Their best is subjective- and of course it is a balance. The much much larger problem facing kids is the US is parents not caring or pushing them academically at all. Outside of UMC districts and private schools, majority of kids aren’t even proficient in core subjects. Sports are king.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

Your kids will not be doomed to financial mediocrity if they do not strive to be "the best." Yes, work ethic is important within reason, doing well in school is important within reason. But striving at the cost of your kids' mental health is clearly self-defeating. And for what? Bragging rights?

My older step kids went to small liberal arts colleges that DCUM would scoff at and both are doing extremely well in their careers now. They got full rides and were at or near the top of their classes in college without trying too hard. Neither of them had to experience the high stress culture of HYP strivers in high school. They are no less financially well off than my husband and I were at their age, and we went to elite universities and chose high-stress competitive careers. I do not want our kids as stressed out as we were. Past a certain level of effort, the gains are not worth it. It's important to teach them balance.

You are missing the point. They don’t have to do “the best,” but they should be doing their best. Giving half effort at school and taking easy classes and not challenging and applying themselves will become their default. It will carry over into other aspects of their life.

I think you are also missing the point. Pushing a kid to do "their best" can also be detrimental. Each kid can work X number of hours and do reasonably well relative to their own ability level without negative mental health outcomes. They should still have downtime and time to socialize and not be anxious at this point. Or you can push them to work twice as hard for a supposedly better outcome at the expense of their mental health, simply so they can perform at their best. At our school we see plenty of kids pushed beyond what is reasonable, because parents always think they should be able to do better.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

Your kids will not be doomed to financial mediocrity if they do not strive to be "the best." Yes, work ethic is important within reason, doing well in school is important within reason. But striving at the cost of your kids' mental health is clearly self-defeating. And for what? Bragging rights?

My older step kids went to small liberal arts colleges that DCUM would scoff at and both are doing extremely well in their careers now. They got full rides and were at or near the top of their classes in college without trying too hard. Neither of them had to experience the high stress culture of HYP strivers in high school. They are no less financially well off than my husband and I were at their age, and we went to elite universities and chose high-stress competitive careers. I do not want our kids as stressed out as we were. Past a certain level of effort, the gains are not worth it. It's important to teach them balance.

You are missing the point. They don’t have to do “the best,” but they should be doing their best. Giving half effort at school and taking easy classes and not challenging and applying themselves will become their default. It will carry over into other aspects of their life.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

Your kids will not be doomed to financial mediocrity if they do not strive to be "the best." Yes, work ethic is important within reason, doing well in school is important within reason. But striving at the cost of your kids' mental health is clearly self-defeating. And for what? Bragging rights?

My older step kids went to small liberal arts colleges that DCUM would scoff at and both are doing extremely well in their careers now. They got full rides and were at or near the top of their classes in college without trying too hard. Neither of them had to experience the high stress culture of HYP strivers in high school. They are no less financially well off than my husband and I were at their age, and we went to elite universities and chose high-stress competitive careers. I do not want our kids as stressed out as we were. Past a certain level of effort, the gains are not worth it. It's important to teach them balance.

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Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As I’ve gotten more senior in my career (former Biglaw), I’ve realized that all the striving leads to a dead end. We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life. I ask myself whether I want my kids to follow a similar path.

In other words do they bust their butts to do well academically, work in a high-pressure, thankless job, and then get disillusioned with their lives thus far? Or do they take the long view even from high school, and realized that a balanced life, well lived is better than a high-achieving burst that burns out after 15 years.

And I’m also Asian, second generation American with parents who grew up in a country with a national test for college.

"We have enough money now to sustain our relatively modest life" is key here. Median income is 70K in the DMV. Would you be happy with 70K? Or is 200K+ your definition of "relatively" modest?

If my DC didn't have to "strive" to guarantee themselves an UMC lifestyle, let me know how to achieve that. I do know many "nonstrivers" from my high school that are struggling with their bills and dealing with much more stressful LMC and MC problems, rather than DCUM's relatively banal UMC problems.

Agree. UMC is expensive. Your income and your lifestyle are a direct reflection of you working very hard for many years. It builds character to apply your maximum effort and develop a stellar work ethic in the process. The grass isn’t greener on the average/middle class side. There are plenty of them wishing they would have worked harder, had more parental support with academics, etc. so they could have had the ability to obtain a higher paying career- while their life may be “balanced” they are shut out of a lot of opportunities and experiences for themselves and their children bc they can’t afford them, not to mention if a disaster happens and they don’t have enough savings to cover.

How hard you work in high school, college, and the early years of your career definitely sets the trajectory for the rest of your adult life. Slack off early on and it is hard to recover. If you front load all the work, mid career you can start stepping back.