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Anonymous wrote:My parents are from a Middle Eastern culture and I think there is so much pressure on women in that culture to conform to the following standard:

- educated with a high paying career
- keep up their looks, don’t get fat, dress pretty and wear makeup and have long glossy black hair
- maintain an attractive, clean home and know how to cook, or you will look bad
- religious (but you still have to look sexy) and raising children to behave appropriately and follow cultural expectations

The men have the following expectations:
- have a job

I think American men may find this nightmare sort of awesome.

Uh, no. In patriarchal cultures, men have to be rich to have social value. (Actually, this is true in all cultures to varying degrees.)

She meant having a job is the only expectation for men while women have to be perfect in almost every way.

So an American man with a decent job who is even remotely helpful in other ways is a step up from their own men. This is true about a lot of foreign cultures as you can see from this thread.

So while American men could be better, they are better than most. So it makes sense for them to look abroad for women who will compare them to their local men.

Actually, the Middle East is still one of the few remaining places on Earth where women can choose to remain homemakers without losing any social standing. I am married to an Arab and no, women are not all expected to have a high-paying career. In fact, it is assumed that once you marry, your family becomes your priority. Financial support is the duty of the husband, not the wife.

Also, if you are from a religious family, you are not expected to dress sexy at all. In fact, the window of acceptable dressing for you is quite narrow.

So I think you're describing a very small subset of the Middle East culture.

To add to this, I found the Middle East to be one of the few places where it is assumed that a woman who works will have household help. Our Arab relatives would find it quite wild that a woman can be expected to work AND cook and clean. Quite simply, if the wife works and brings in income, she will outsource most of the household work. Someone will come to cook, clean and tend to the children.

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Anonymous wrote:Most European women are more assertive and also take more walks.

A male friend of mind though he was marrying a "submissive" Eastern European lady. She got her duel citizenship and then went right back to Europe where she has healthcare and benefits and their kids will have a low cost college education. She's fine with him coming to visit when he wants.

That's not assertive, that's a hostage situation.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are from a Middle Eastern culture and I think there is so much pressure on women in that culture to conform to the following standard:

- educated with a high paying career
- keep up their looks, don’t get fat, dress pretty and wear makeup and have long glossy black hair
- maintain an attractive, clean home and know how to cook, or you will look bad
- religious (but you still have to look sexy) and raising children to behave appropriately and follow cultural expectations

The men have the following expectations:
- have a job

I think American men may find this nightmare sort of awesome.

Uh, no. In patriarchal cultures, men have to be rich to have social value. (Actually, this is true in all cultures to varying degrees.)

She meant having a job is the only expectation for men while women have to be perfect in almost every way.

So an American man with a decent job who is even remotely helpful in other ways is a step up from their own men. This is true about a lot of foreign cultures as you can see from this thread.

So while American men could be better, they are better than most. So it makes sense for them to look abroad for women who will compare them to their local men.

Actually, the Middle East is still one of the few remaining places on Earth where women can choose to remain homemakers without losing any social standing. I am married to an Arab and no, women are not all expected to have a high-paying career. In fact, it is assumed that once you marry, your family becomes your priority. Financial support is the duty of the husband, not the wife.

Also, if you are from a religious family, you are not expected to dress sexy at all. In fact, the window of acceptable dressing for you is quite narrow.

So I think you're describing a very small subset of the Middle East culture.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are from a Middle Eastern culture and I think there is so much pressure on women in that culture to conform to the following standard:

- educated with a high paying career
- keep up their looks, don’t get fat, dress pretty and wear makeup and have long glossy black hair
- maintain an attractive, clean home and know how to cook, or you will look bad
- religious (but you still have to look sexy) and raising children to behave appropriately and follow cultural expectations

The men have the following expectations:
- have a job

I think American men may find this nightmare sort of awesome.

Uh, no. In patriarchal cultures, men have to be rich to have social value. (Actually, this is true in all cultures to varying degrees.)

She meant having a job is the only expectation for men while women have to be perfect in almost every way.

So an American man with a decent job who is even remotely helpful in other ways is a step up from their own men. This is true about a lot of foreign cultures as you can see from this thread.

So while American men could be better, they are better than most. So it makes sense for them to look abroad for women who will compare them to their local men.

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Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

My husband grew up in a patriarchal culture, he chose me, someone raised in America. He liked that I was open and honest and did not feel the need to stifle my thoughts and feelings and opinions.

Male immigrants are much more likely to marry an American woman than female immigrants are to marry an American man.

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Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

My husband grew up in a patriarchal culture, he chose me, someone raised in America. He liked that I was open and honest and did not feel the need to stifle my thoughts and feelings and opinions.

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Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

Me too. I am a woman but I would like someone to iron my clothes.

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Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

I have lived overseas in a geo with many men who are there primarily for dating/wives/s3x. It’s very simple global economic arbitrage. A guy who is poor, ugly, etc and unable to find a hot or young partner will be relatively wealthy in a poorer country. He can therefore attract more attractive sexual partners by virtue of relative weight of his economic resources. It is very simple. Very few of the men who do this are wealthy or attractive, they don’t need to, they can find attractive partners in the US.

The difference in quality isn't even close. Most American guys are forced to date American women because they can't afford to live in another country. This has changed somewhat with the advent of digital nomad though. Most of those guys are normal and only date local women. But if you are hanging out in an area with lots of sex tourists, then yeah, most of those guys can't get decent women in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

Ironically
If you are familiar with history
Foreign women were not ashamed to march in NY and declare that in their home country women had the right to vote

Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

Anonymous wrote:The problem with stereotypical American women is that they don't think they have anything to learn. From anyone. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:What I have learned from this thread is that both men and women would like to marry a subservient stereotype of a foreign woman.

You must not have read most of the posts. The old hens sure are upset. They've been rambling on about subservient women, 90 day fiance, green card chasers, etc. I really don't think any of these women have ever lived overseas. Not a single guy living in most of these countries prefers American women. That right there should be a clue.

I have lived overseas in a geo with many men who are there primarily for dating/wives/s3x. It’s very simple global economic arbitrage. A guy who is poor, ugly, etc and unable to find a hot or young partner will be relatively wealthy in a poorer country. He can therefore attract more attractive sexual partners by virtue of relative weight of his economic resources. It is very simple. Very few of the men who do this are wealthy or attractive, they don’t need to, they can find attractive partners in the US.

The difference in quality isn't even close. Most American guys are forced to date American women because they can't afford to live in another country. This has changed somewhat with the advent of digital nomad though. Most of those guys are normal and only date local women. But if you are hanging out in an area with lots of sex tourists, then yeah, most of those guys can't get decent women in the US.

You are confirming my point. The unequal distribution of economic resources across the globe allows people to migrate to areas where they are comparatively wealthier, which provides them the opportunity to attract more sexual partners who are seeking to improve their economic situation.