Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:45
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys.
How exactly is that happening? I'm not seeing it. Schools are bending over backwards to make learning and especially reading hateful to boys.
How is reading hateful to boys? Didn't they used to teach boys to read but not girls? Aren't most classical authors men? There is no reason boys can't read at the same level as girls. You have to be able to sit and concentrate in order to read. Boys need to learn how to do that.
Literally half the books my sophomore in HS was assigned were about rape.
Crazy if true. Examples?
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:43
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys.
How is reading hateful to boys? Didn't they used to teach boys to read but not girls? Aren't most classical authors men? There is no reason boys can't read at the same level as girls. You have to be able to sit and concentrate in order to read. Boys need to learn how to do that.
Literally half the books my sophomore in HS was assigned were about rape.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:35
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys.
How is reading hateful to boys? Didn't they used to teach boys to read but not girls? Aren't most classical authors men? There is no reason boys can't read at the same level as girls. You have to be able to sit and concentrate in order to read. Boys need to learn how to do that.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:29
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.
I agree with this. And many women gleefully cheer about how girls are outperforming boys. Then it's suddenly a bad thing when it means boys get a leg up in admissions or their DD can't find a legit employed DH to marry.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:28
Subject: Re:General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Dude in back in the blue shirt and baseball cap knows he's got it made, lmao. He's drowning in you-know-what. Congratulations, king!
Tulane should use this as their recruitment ad - for boys anyway.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:25
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Wharton UG still gives a massive boost to female applicants.
A lot of the above article is due to test scores being optional
Men still outscore women on mcat, lsat, gmat, sat
Came here to make your 2nd point too. I went to college in the early 2000s. Men still had higher SAT scores than women. A lot of changes were being made to the test (added a writing section and then removed it etc) to try to equalize that.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:22
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys.
How exactly is that happening? I'm not seeing it. Schools are bending over backwards to make learning and especially reading hateful to boys.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 15:17
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys. The bar has gotten lower and lower, but I guess it’s not low enough.
My dad who was educated by nuns, likes to say he's glad he had daughters because boys need to be beaten into submission. Perhaps the removal of corporal punishment is the liberalism PP is bemoaning? None of this is my experience, I have a son and daughter who've both made it to college. DD has graduated with honors, and it's too soon to know if DS will match that, but he is plenty studious. If he's had a beef with some of the classroom management along the way, that's for him to sort. Actually, both had some of the same teachers, and mostly agreed in their gripes. This included male teachers with weird foibles, too.
I'm a man, and when I was a boy I was frequently beaten by teachers and by my parents. I completely disagree that boys need to be beaten. I have never needed to hit my sons. However, it ought to be obvious that boys need a different teaching style than girls, and you motivate boys differently from girls. I guess it's not obvious, though, at least to women, because women teachers invariably use the same teaching style on boys as they use on girls. This doesn't work but women teachers don't care, or just think the problem is the boys and not their teaching.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 14:02
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Invest in engineering, CS and business and don't have to worry about a gender imbalance. UMD is 52% male.
Do you understand what college admissions might have had to do to achieve parity?
Because I think you missed the point of the article, PP.
The gender percentages you're seeing is AFTER the sausage was made.
dp... CS/Eng majors are very male heavy. They definitely don't have an advantage. Females do.
78% of CS majors at UMD is male.
https://www.cs.umd.edu/diversity/reports/undergrad
-parent of male CS major at UMD
But most schools don't accept students directly into a major, so even if there is a male-dominance in that degree, it won't affect most applicants. So this is only somewhat true at schools that are tech school or schools that do direct admit to CS/Engineering--which are a relatively few schools.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 14:00
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys. The bar has gotten lower and lower, but I guess it’s not low enough.
+1 There's a thread on here about kids throwing chairs in class is tolerated. I highly doubt most of those are girls.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 13:20
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
I'm like to see the numbers of boys and how they do applying to humanities majors.
If there's a thumb on the scale for all boys, you take out the engineering and CS guys, you must get a whole hand on the scale for polisci or history boys
If there's a thumb on the scale for all boys, you take out the engineering and CS guys, you must get a whole hand on the scale for polisci or history boys
Anonymous
09/09/2023 12:55
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys. The bar has gotten lower and lower, but I guess it’s not low enough.
Maybe boys do better with rules and higher expectations? Girls might be better self regulating, and boys might need a firmer classroom management to keep them on track. I know relaxed modern classrooms are more enjoyable for boys, but they may flourish with more structure, counter to popular belief.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 12:52
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If I were Queen:
Girls start K at 5.
Boys start K at 6.
make the cut offs national. no more poor NYC who have to go K at 4.5 and are behind the entire way through.
and I'd go further and do an all-boys preK at 5, so parents can send the boys to school when the girls go, but it's not academic at all. you wouldn't even need certified teachers. but a very slow slope to getting kids school ready, starting with outdoor time, simple team sports outside a few times a day, sitting in a circle listening to someone read, choice time, simple cooking or boiling, a day away from screens basically.
That’s not a fit for all kids. My older son was reading at 3.5. This would have bored him to tears.
Just had this conversation with DH. Our DS now in college was a high achiever: reading by 2.5, chapter books by 4, math above 2 grade levels. But, DS has a summer bday and is a late bloomer, to boot.
I keep thinking: should we have red shirted him? He may have been academically way ahead, but socially and emotionally, and to some degree, mentally, he was so far behind his peers. When he hit MS, everyone around him had matured at a faster rate than him, so he struggled in so many ways. The only place he didn't struggle was in academics, where he was bored.
That is quite a dilemma.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 12:46
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).
I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.
As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.
My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.
So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.
+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys. The bar has gotten lower and lower, but I guess it’s not low enough.
My dad who was educated by nuns, likes to say he's glad he had daughters because boys need to be beaten into submission. Perhaps the removal of corporal punishment is the liberalism PP is bemoaning? None of this is my experience, I have a son and daughter who've both made it to college. DD has graduated with honors, and it's too soon to know if DS will match that, but he is plenty studious. If he's had a beef with some of the classroom management along the way, that's for him to sort. Actually, both had some of the same teachers, and mostly agreed in their gripes. This included male teachers with weird foibles, too.
Anonymous
09/09/2023 12:30
Subject: General admission bias in favor of male applicants
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Invest in engineering, CS and business and don't have to worry about a gender imbalance. UMD is 52% male.
Do you understand what college admissions might have had to do to achieve parity?
Because I think you missed the point of the article, PP.
The gender percentages you're seeing is AFTER the sausage was made.
dp... CS/Eng majors are very male heavy. They definitely don't have an advantage. Females do.
78% of CS majors at UMD is male.
https://www.cs.umd.edu/diversity/reports/undergrad
-parent of male CS major at UMD