Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 08:48     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I might vaccinate against covid for the first time when an old-fashioned type of vaccine is on the market—the kind that prevents you from getting covid and prevents you from spreading it.

You know how you took the polio vaccine as a kid, and then you never got polio in the intervening decades? Just like that one.


Except people still did get polio breakthrough infections but now because of herd immunity the virus can’t get a foothold (until people stop immunizing to a certain level) Because of knuckleheads like you we will never get there with COVID.


Uh, no. COVID mutates rather quickly making the vaccine far less effective, so it can't provide a sterilizing immunity. The vaccine doesn't target a particularly stable area of the COVID protein.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 04:54     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Reading through this, it’s so obvious which PPs are Fox News watchers
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 02:14     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:I might vaccinate against covid for the first time when an old-fashioned type of vaccine is on the market—the kind that prevents you from getting covid and prevents you from spreading it.

You know how you took the polio vaccine as a kid, and then you never got polio in the intervening decades? Just like that one.


Except people still did get polio breakthrough infections but now because of herd immunity the virus can’t get a foothold (until people stop immunizing to a certain level) Because of knuckleheads like you we will never get there with COVID.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 01:29     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My husband's cousin refused to get vaccinated. The cousin got covid, infected his elderly father - who for two years now has suffered extreme health problems as a result. He died yesterday.

The anti-vaxxer killed his father through his ignorance and selfishness.


My elderly parent was vaccinated maybe 5 times and still died after catching it. These vaccines are not stopping transmission like promised.


NP. The goal of vaccines is big to reduce transmission. We were lucky that the initial Covid vaccines did so. Vaccines are designed to prevent severe illness and death - Covid vaccines are still still effective in this regard.

Vaccines are designed to prevent people from contracting the disease. As per the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html
"Vaccine: A suspension ... administered to induce immunity and prevent infectious diseases and their sequelae."
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 01:20     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
I might vaccinate against covid for the first time when an old-fashioned type of vaccine is on the market—the kind that prevents you from getting covid and prevents you from spreading it.

You know how you took the polio vaccine as a kid, and then you never got polio in the intervening decades? Just like that one.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 00:39     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My husband's cousin refused to get vaccinated. The cousin got covid, infected his elderly father - who for two years now has suffered extreme health problems as a result. He died yesterday.

The anti-vaxxer killed his father through his ignorance and selfishness.


My elderly parent was vaccinated maybe 5 times and still died after catching it. These vaccines are not stopping transmission like promised.


NP. The goal of vaccines is big to reduce transmission. We were lucky that the initial Covid vaccines did so. Vaccines are designed to prevent severe illness and death - Covid vaccines are still still effective in this regard.


We don’t fully know as the current mutations are less severe and Covid has aready killed off many. It did not prevent a recent death in my family.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 00:38     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think the Vax injuries are as "extremely rare" as you say OP.

I had a severe allergic reaction to my first covid shot. It scared the Sh*t out of me!

I don't know anyone in my family or friend circle who died from covid alone but I know of 6 people who were either hospitalized or died suddenly in the months following their vaccinations. I know this is all circumstantial but I think the vaccine injuries are a BFD.


An allergic reaction is not the same thing as a vaccine injury. Allergic reactions are rare but they do occur. People are not dying because of vaccines. Obviously people die all of the time and are hospitalized all of the time - but there is no correlation between vaccination and hospitalization or death.


https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

This tracked the vaccine deaths in Europe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10043280/


This is correlation not causation. People are always dying in any given period of time. There is no evidence that people are dying because of the vaccines.


Denial doesn’t make it not happen.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 00:25     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think the Vax injuries are as "extremely rare" as you say OP.

I had a severe allergic reaction to my first covid shot. It scared the Sh*t out of me!

I don't know anyone in my family or friend circle who died from covid alone but I know of 6 people who were either hospitalized or died suddenly in the months following their vaccinations. I know this is all circumstantial but I think the vaccine injuries are a BFD.


An allergic reaction is not the same thing as a vaccine injury. Allergic reactions are rare but they do occur. People are not dying because of vaccines. Obviously people die all of the time and are hospitalized all of the time - but there is no correlation between vaccination and hospitalization or death.


https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001201_EN.html

This tracked the vaccine deaths in Europe.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10043280/


This is correlation not causation. People are always dying in any given period of time. There is no evidence that people are dying because of the vaccines.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 00:23     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My husband's cousin refused to get vaccinated. The cousin got covid, infected his elderly father - who for two years now has suffered extreme health problems as a result. He died yesterday.

The anti-vaxxer killed his father through his ignorance and selfishness.


My elderly parent was vaccinated maybe 5 times and still died after catching it. These vaccines are not stopping transmission like promised.


NP. The goal of vaccines is big to reduce transmission. We were lucky that the initial Covid vaccines did so. Vaccines are designed to prevent severe illness and death - Covid vaccines are still still effective in this regard.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2023 00:20     Subject: Re:Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:All the original vaccines pfizer, moderna, j&j showed no mortality benefit in their randomized controlled trials.


This is not true. Do better.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2023 23:12     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gotta love the warriors on this thread.

Fight the good fight! Vaccinate! Vaccinate! Vaccinate!

Oh, you're concerned about vaccine related injuries and deaths? You're stupid because SCIENCE!



COVID Karens are the worst. They love covid rituals, hang on every word of Dr. pFauci, worship the CDC, love masks, hyperfocus on someone's vaccine status (and make sure to note that anyone against the covid vaccine is wholly "antivax' through and through ) and salivate at the thought of another lockdown. Brainwashed fools.


It is "antivax" to be opposed to the Covid vaccine. Hundreds of millions of doses and there's a few tiny side effects. The claim that it's experimental is laughable.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2023 20:13     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.


I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.


Yep. they blew their wad on COVID. Next time, no one will listen. Including myself.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2023 20:12     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:Gotta love the warriors on this thread.

Fight the good fight! Vaccinate! Vaccinate! Vaccinate!

Oh, you're concerned about vaccine related injuries and deaths? You're stupid because SCIENCE!



COVID Karens are the worst. They love covid rituals, hang on every word of Dr. pFauci, worship the CDC, love masks, hyperfocus on someone's vaccine status (and make sure to note that anyone against the covid vaccine is wholly "antivax' through and through ) and salivate at the thought of another lockdown. Brainwashed fools.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2023 18:37     Subject: Re:Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
All the original vaccines pfizer, moderna, j&j showed no mortality benefit in their randomized controlled trials.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2023 15:08     Subject: Why do antivaxxers say Covid is nbd but vax injuries are
Anonymous wrote:To me, the craziest part of the vaccine mandate was that most employers and business establishments only focused on the jab while ignoring natural immunity from prior infections. It was all, show us the vaccine proof or you're out.


I think the public health authorities burned through so much trust and credibility during the pandemic, that they're going to have a hard time getting people to listen to them going forward.

If they'd been more moderate and measured in their communication, and treated Americans like adults rather than selling fear, they probably would have gotten more people on board with masks (where needed) and vaccines (for the demographics where they made a difference).

Instead, they pushed mask mandates outdoors, and vaccines for teenagers.