Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:51
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Independent women are going to vote on their priorities during a given election cycle.
It depends on what concerns she has.
Liberal women are going to vote Pro Choice; conservative women are going to vote Pro Life. Independent woman fall into neither category; other issues are more important to her.
It depends on what concerns she has.
Liberal women are going to vote Pro Choice; conservative women are going to vote Pro Life. Independent woman fall into neither category; other issues are more important to her.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:42
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Np. Here’s the thing. I don’t pretend to speak for anyone else. BUT, women across America (I’m not sure who you consider “mainstream”) are more similar than different. We don’t want to be mansplained, we don’t want to be harassed at work (whether we’re fat, skinny, beautiful, old, whatever), if we’re mothers, we want our kids to be treated fairly, we want to be appreciated for all the free work we do (housework, childcare, eldercare, arranging the office party, chaperoning the school trip), we want to feel safe (walking streets at night, in bars, filling up a car, in a doctor’s office, on a sports team). And much else.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:31
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Queue the same throngs of bewildered and devastated voters of 2016 who couldn’t comprehend a trump victory when no one they knew voted for him.
Well PP for the hurdle concept above is a suburban woman hanging out in a red state that will undoubtedly be having a similar ballot issue with similar results as Ohio in the not too distant future. This issue is not going away.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:28
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Any woman who is solely going to base her vote on abortion rights is not “independent”. She’s a liberal. Period.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:23
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Says you. If that is their vote, that is their vote. A vote for a women's reporductive rights supporting candidate is not pointless at all.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:21
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Queue the same throngs of bewildered and devastated voters of 2016 who couldn’t comprehend a trump victory when no one they knew voted for him.
The posters on here are trying to tell you don't look at DCUM...look at the ballot initiatives in red states and see how it went.
The GOP has 7 clueless men up there mansplaining pregnancy and miscarriage and abortion to the independent suburban women and failing. At least Haley is aware that this is a big problem for the GOP.
ballot initiatives in off cycle elections are often not an accurate predictor of voting trends in presidential elections.
OK deny that reality. Have you seen any special election results lately?
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:18
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Well an “independent” Suburban woman whose top voting issue is women’s reproductive rights is realistically never going to vote for a republican candidate at the national level so this entire thread is pointless.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:15
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Queue the same throngs of bewildered and devastated voters of 2016 who couldn’t comprehend a trump victory when no one they knew voted for him.
The posters on here are trying to tell you don't look at DCUM...look at the ballot initiatives in red states and see how it went.
The GOP has 7 clueless men up there mansplaining pregnancy and miscarriage and abortion to the independent suburban women and failing. At least Haley is aware that this is a big problem for the GOP.
ballot initiatives in off cycle elections are often not an accurate predictor of voting trends in presidential elections.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:12
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
This thread is about attracting independent suburban women, not republican suburban women.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:09
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Kansas and Ohio are huge blips on the Republican radar and if you believe differently you’re deluding yourself. RNC chair and even Haley have been trying to sound the alarm but then there’s always a guy like you saying women don’t **really** care if we let them die of sepsis.
While you will probably refuse to believe this I am in fact a 40 year old woman with young children. I am a fan of Nicki Haley (whose position on abortion I think you and other liberals are mischaracterizing) but would never vote for a pro-choice candidate and am quite confident that such a candidate would not be able to gain widespread Republican support on a national level.
We can revisit this post in 15 months to see who the deluded party was.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:09
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
As an independent suburban woman, my primary requirement for politicians is that they do not deny reality. It is very hard to find these days.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:02
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Queue the same throngs of bewildered and devastated voters of 2016 who couldn’t comprehend a trump victory when no one they knew voted for him.
The posters on here are trying to tell you don't look at DCUM...look at the ballot initiatives in red states and see how it went.
The GOP has 7 clueless men up there mansplaining pregnancy and miscarriage and abortion to the independent suburban women and failing. At least Haley is aware that this is a big problem for the GOP.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 17:00
Subject: Re:Winning independent suburban women
Don't most independent suburban woman believe there should be limits to abortion?
Yes, they do. This is not the position of the Democrats who will not commit to ANY restrictions on abortion.
"Despite the majority support for abortion rights generally, 66% said abortion should be legal in, at most, the first three months of a pregnancy."
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1171863775/poll-americans-want-abortion-restrictions-but-not-as-far-as-red-states-are-going
Yes, they do. This is not the position of the Democrats who will not commit to ANY restrictions on abortion.
"Despite the majority support for abortion rights generally, 66% said abortion should be legal in, at most, the first three months of a pregnancy."
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1171863775/poll-americans-want-abortion-restrictions-but-not-as-far-as-red-states-are-going
Anonymous
08/24/2023 16:57
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
Queue the same throngs of bewildered and devastated voters of 2016 who couldn’t comprehend a trump victory when no one they knew voted for him.
Anonymous
08/24/2023 16:56
Subject: Winning independent suburban women
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What percentage of “Independent suburban women” rank abortion as their only voting criteria?
I expect for most of us it is not the only criteria, but it is the minimum criteria for consideration. If you can’t tell me that you (and your party’s plank) fully support women’s ability to make medical decisions about our own bodies, including the choice of abortion, it’s thank you, next.
Once you pass that hurdle (shouldn’t even be a hurdle) then I am interested in hearing what else you have to say. At that point I am not as interested in knowing that you spend time with your own family as I am about whether you have an understanding and practical ideas (ideally backed by previous actions that you have taken to good effect) on how to address issues facing all of us.
It’s laughable how many DCUM women seem to think they speak for mainstream America or that their votes are even a blip on the radar for the leading republican candidates.
This DCUM woman has read exit polling from 2022 in Michigan and Pennsylvania showing abortion was the most important issue for voters, and remembers that you all got spanked thoroughly in both places. You’re talking like you did in October.