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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

What?

You posted about your job in a thread about physicians. How am I trolling you?

These hours match a lot of dual physician families that I know.

That’s cool. I’m in a dual physician family. This doesn’t match my experience, but I don’t know the people you know.

Carry on, my man. It sounds like you have some things figured out.

What are the work hours and schedules for you and spouse?

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

What?

You posted about your job in a thread about physicians. How am I trolling you?

These hours match a lot of dual physician families that I know.

That’s cool. I’m in a dual physician family. This doesn’t match my experience, but I don’t know the people you know.

Carry on, my man. It sounds like you have some things figured out.

The following is not isolated.
Neurotic socially-stunted worms groomed and controlled by a pushy mother (and/or father) who present a phony image to the public. Fake-smiling manipulators whose mother taught them to seek out average-looking status-seeking female trust funders, lawyers, and MBAs to marry so they mooch off a woman until they rake in money post fellowship. Then when they get the big bucks, they become psychopaths who treat the wife like she's second class. Suddenly the beta wimp you married is a full of himself gaslighting cheater who lacks the bandwidth to lift a finger around the house or contribute to the marriage in any way. Post fellowship they often leave the first wife they mooched from for a slightly younger upgrade second wife. His passive-aggressive parents will turn against you on a dime and take their son's side 100% of the time because they know you were only attracted to the awkward wimp in the first place because he was (becoming) a doctor.

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If you’re purely picking a spouse based on their career (which is of course not advisable) there are other paths that make similar/more money and don’t require spending a decade working 80 hours shifts while making no money. The end result seems like good, stable money though.

This^ and tons of student debt on top of all that. Jeopardizing fertility is another sacrifice. I'm not thrilled about my DD (who earns extremely well in finance) dating someone who is just starting medical school. Its lot of sacrifice. Love makes people pick stupid paths. She can have a much easier life with someone in her own field or someone already done with residency.

See post just above on this page. Their parents groom them to seek out careerists and trust funders they can mooch from.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

Of course your job pays better. You never do any work for anyone who can’t pay you.

Respectfully, I don’t think you understand healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

Of course your job pays better. You never do any work for anyone who can’t pay you.

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If you’re purely picking a spouse based on their career (which is of course not advisable) there are other paths that make similar/more money and don’t require spending a decade working 80 hours shifts while making no money. The end result seems like good, stable money though.

This^ and tons of student debt on top of all that. Jeopardizing fertility is another sacrifice. I'm not thrilled about my DD (who earns extremely well in finance) dating someone who is just starting medical school. Its lot of sacrifice. Love makes people pick stupid paths. She can have a much easier life with someone in her own field or someone already done with residency.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

What?

You posted about your job in a thread about physicians. How am I trolling you?

These hours match a lot of dual physician families that I know.

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Anonymous wrote:One word: alcoholism

DH is a physician. Don’t know any alcoholics. We do know finance guys who do drugs and are alcoholics.

Why do people write such random statements on the internet?

The rates of alcoholism are the same among physicians as they are among the rest of the population…about 10-12%. They do really well in rehab though.

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DH is a physician. Don’t know any alcoholics. We do know finance guys who do drugs and are alcoholics.

Why do people write such random statements on the internet?

One word: alcoholism

It depends. There definitely some “mom job” docs out there.

I’m Jewish, and not to stereotype, but many people I know are doctors, including my brother in law, cousin, some good friends from college and several uncles. My sister makes more money in finance than her husband who’s an esteemed surgeon at a top hospital. They both work long hours and are good people. My brother in law is one of the nicest people you’ll meet. He, my cousin, and my good friend all married fairly young.

Generally speaking, being a surgeon isn’t glamorous like being on grays anatomy. The vast majority of doctors also aren’t making more than people in finance or biglaw.

What’s it like being married to one? Residency and fellowship are hard and they’re making no money then. My sister carried a lot of weekends with their kids. My brother in law is an involved parent but had very little flexibility, so he could not be the default parent when a kid was sick and needed to go to the doctor, or the nanny called in sick. My sister supported the family with her career during those years.

If you’re purely picking a spouse based on their career (which is of course not advisable) there are other paths that make similar/more money and don’t require spending a decade working 80 hours shifts while making no money. The end result seems like good, stable money though.

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

Whatever.
It sounds like working from 8pm-midnight M-F is really sitting in your bed with your laptop from whenever the kids go to bed until you get tired and go to sleep. And you do it another time if you have something else you want to do on a Friday evening or whatever.

It’s not exactly like working 65-80 hours a week in the emergency department or the intensive care unit or even a busy outpatient clinic.

The main difference is our jobs pay much better. Maybe instead of trolling others, you should focus on yourself.

What?

You posted about your job in a thread about physicians. How am I trolling you?

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Anonymous wrote:My good friend is married to a surgeon. He's the most self-centered man I've ever met.

Yep. Neurotic, insufferable and awkward. They disregard properly cultivating their personalities because they were so focused on becoming doctors for 15 years. Many of them are mollycoddled momma’s boy who had a snow plow tiger mom doing everything for them until they were married. They in turn expect their wife to take over all of those duties. Grown *ss men who act like adult babies.

If a guy routinely works 60-70 hour weeks, his wife ought to take care of everything else, nitwit. That wife knew what the deal was when she married him.

I don't understand this. Both my wife and I work 60-80hrs/week each. When not working, we split childcare and house work.

If you are both working those hours, it’s doubtful there is much childcare left to split.

Children are not trophies.

We consider these hours mild and spend lots of time with our kids every day. Again, I don’t understand what you are talking about.

When exactly does this 60-80 hour week happen? Are you those annoying people who claim you are working from home when you’re actually doing childcare -those people who ruin it for everyone else? Or do you work during the school day and then all night?

We both work a normal work day and after kids go to sleep go back to work (evening WFH).

I see, you are a typical hot shot who barely clears 40 hours but claims to be working 80? Like Elon Musk who “sleeps at the office” but spends most of his time posting on Twitter? At least he does not say he spends tons of quality time with his kids

80 hour weeks is 13 working hours per day, 7 days a week.

We both used to work over 80 hrs per week. Now working 60-80 is pretty mild. I don’t understand you at all. Your math is also way off which is concerning.

I don’t really see how you do this either. We used to both work 80 hours a week during residency:

2 overnight calls: 30 hours (6am-noon)
1 long call: 12 hours (6am-6pm)
1 short call: 8 hours (6am-2pm)
1 day off

We had normal daycare hours and arranged our schedules so that we were never both on call at the same time. It was a lot. We had almost no social life and were always exhausted.

Not sure why this has so much interest.

M-F 8am - 5pm = 45hrs
M-F 8pm - 12am = 20hrs
Weekend work = variable 0-15hrs

Total = 65-80hrs

When are you eating, taking a shower, getting in a workout, going to the pediatrician and the dentist and mechanic, and paying your bills, and checking homework and school recitals and afterschool activities and researching summer camps etc etc etc and spending a ton of quality time with your kids. I worked in Finance and the guys working 80 hour weeks were bachelors or married with SAHM + tons of help, and barely saw their kids for dinner. Even with that many were doing Cocaine or Modafinil to keep up. I am sure you and your partner are special and not delusional.

Wake up 6am. Kids don’t wake up until 7am so we have time then. Weekends are largely free. Rare appointments get scheduled.

Not sure why this is interesting.

It’s not that interesting. It’s just that you say this isn’t a big deal, and then you give this schedule where you only sleep like 5 hours a night, and you do nothing but work and take care of your kids.

Sleep 6hrs/night, weekends mostly free, minimum 3-4hrs/day with kids. This is for two adults and flexible.

I think your schedule is fiction, but if not your life sounds absolutely miserable.

Getting a lazy vibe here.