Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:11     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
If white collar workers are jealous of this kind of contract maybe they should try joining a union?

Say whatever you want about your individual “skill set,” workers who are smart enough to band together will always have greater leverage and strength.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:10     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
I think it’s really amazing people are I planning about this, after reading 3+ years of people bragging about loafing around, while getting paid to ‘work from home’ on the sofa. You people making 200k a year want to complain about someone breaking their back and actually working? Gtfo.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:09     Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.


+1
With caveat that I think those of us with education and skills will not see the higher wages--our jobs will be eliminated or office jobs will begin to be seen as women's work and will pay accordingly--a lot of the unskilled labor will be seen as man's work and they will be paid accordingly.


Unskilled labour over here - I’m a nanny and get paid $45-50/hr in Los Angeles. I started working for celebrities 20 years ago, and that’s my rate with a high school education. Housekeepers in LA are also paid $40+ per hour. We also break our backs and deal with a lot of stress, to make other peoples lives easier. We deserve it. So does ups.


Everyone thinks their job is a pain doesn't mean all jobs should pay the same wages. Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee? Why should the nice lady who work at the grocer check out line make less than a UPS worker? Why can't this lady ask for tips, like the doordash driver deamands?


The market decided my job should pay more. Nanny prices in LA became crazy after covid. That $25/hr job is now $35-40. Unskilled shouldn’t necessarily mean low paid. I feel like UPS drivers have such a hard job, unless it was well paid, no one would want to do it. Same with working for celebrities. I fall that ‘crazy pay’ because you get paid more to deal with the crazy.


Nanny work isn't unskilled labor--not just anyone can do it. Something sets you all apart from the massess that makes people trust you to take care of their children and be in their homes when they (the parents) are not there.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:07     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:This is probably the most disgusting, elitist, asinine thread I've ever read on DCUM.

You people should be ashamed.


OK, once you get your 3 or 5 dollar increase an hour come back to us in year once you realize all the other people who also have nothing special to offer got the same increase, and you are fighting over the same housing options, going to the same grocery stores, etc. One set of unskilled labor will never ahead of all the other sets of unskilled labor, and their are infinitely more of you all than skilled labor, so you will not win just asking for more more money.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:05     Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.


+1
With caveat that I think those of us with education and skills will not see the higher wages--our jobs will be eliminated or office jobs will begin to be seen as women's work and will pay accordingly--a lot of the unskilled labor will be seen as man's work and they will be paid accordingly.


Unskilled labour over here - I’m a nanny and get paid $45-50/hr in Los Angeles. I started working for celebrities 20 years ago, and that’s my rate with a high school education. Housekeepers in LA are also paid $40+ per hour. We also break our backs and deal with a lot of stress, to make other peoples lives easier. We deserve it. So does ups.


Everyone thinks their job is a pain doesn't mean all jobs should pay the same wages. Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee? Why should the nice lady who work at the grocer check out line make less than a UPS worker? Why can't this lady ask for tips, like the doordash driver deamands?


The market decided my job should pay more. Nanny prices in LA became crazy after covid. That $25/hr job is now $35-40. Unskilled shouldn’t necessarily mean low paid. I feel like UPS drivers have such a hard job, unless it was well paid, no one would want to do it. Same with working for celebrities. I fall that ‘crazy pay’ because you get paid more to deal with the crazy.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:05     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone is complaining that a company with $10 billion in profits is paying their employees a good wage. Do you really think that only the over-educated chattering classes should earn a living wage?


Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee?

The workers and the employer decide by negotiating, which is what happened with UPS. The end.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:03     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
This is probably the most disgusting, elitist, asinine thread I've ever read on DCUM.

You people should be ashamed.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 11:02     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:They literally drive around in vans without doors in over 100 degree weather, here in California. They lug heavy ass packages all day for people too lazy to carry their own cat litter. Pay them what they want!!


I laughed at this because this is me. But I also realize the value of our UPS driver (we’re on a first name basis, he will drive back by to attempt re-delivery if I miss something, and we always give him a gift card at the holidays). I will pay for the perk of not carrying those heavy boxes home!
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:59     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It sounds like more like $100,000.


Who cares? I’m a teacher so I will earn if I move from teaching to ups driving.


Great! Go for it!
Literally no one and nothing is stopping you.


Oh but of course the PP doesn’t really mean it. I’m sure driving a package delivery truck is beneath them. I mean this is such worthless, unskilled labor we’re talking about. How dare these drivers make a wage comparable to any white color job.

Also, I find it interesting that according to so many other posters on DCUM, knowledge workers getting promotions and increased perks like flexible hours/remote work, is just the economy at play valuing their skill set. But when a subset of industry workers realize there is a demand for their labor (and let’s be real, customers expect someone reliable, coherent, and sober to safely drive and actually deliver their packages on time too), then the wage increase is the result of mafia like negotiating. :eyeroll:
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:59     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe anyone is complaining that a company with $10 billion in profits is paying their employees a good wage. Do you really think that only the over-educated chattering classes should earn a living wage?


Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:59     Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.


+1
With caveat that I think those of us with education and skills will not see the higher wages--our jobs will be eliminated or office jobs will begin to be seen as women's work and will pay accordingly--a lot of the unskilled labor will be seen as man's work and they will be paid accordingly.


Unskilled labour over here - I’m a nanny and get paid $45-50/hr in Los Angeles. I started working for celebrities 20 years ago, and that’s my rate with a high school education. Housekeepers in LA are also paid $40+ per hour. We also break our backs and deal with a lot of stress, to make other peoples lives easier. We deserve it. So does ups.


Everyone thinks their job is a pain doesn't mean all jobs should pay the same wages. Also, who decides which unskilled labor job set is more worthy of higher pay than anothe unskilled labor job set. Who is on this deciding committee? Why should the nice lady who work at the grocer check out line make less than a UPS worker? Why can't this lady ask for tips, like the doordash driver deamands?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:59     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
I can’t believe anyone is complaining that a company with $10 billion in profits is paying their employees a good wage. Do you really think that only the over-educated chattering classes should earn a living wage?
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:53     Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.


+1
With caveat that I think those of us with education and skills will not see the higher wages--our jobs will be eliminated or office jobs will begin to be seen as women's work and will pay accordingly--a lot of the unskilled labor will be seen as man's work and they will be paid accordingly.


Unskilled labour over here - I’m a nanny and get paid $45-50/hr in Los Angeles. I started working for celebrities 20 years ago, and that’s my rate with a high school education. Housekeepers in LA are also paid $40+ per hour. We also break our backs and deal with a lot of stress, to make other peoples lives easier. We deserve it. So does ups.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:52     Subject: Re:UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
Anonymous wrote:And I don't understand why y'all think this is crazy - what did you think all that online ordering of crap was going to do, all that grocery delivery, etc etc.

It is just like paying for the convenience of all other outsourcing you DCUMers do...

Also it IS a very hard job - not everyone is hired as a union worker on top of that. UPS has gotten around having to pay and adhere to the union's requirements by hiring non-union positioned drivers...

It is physically demanding and a lot of injury occurs - those drivers aren't really working past 45/50 max.


This - the result of this is UPS is more likely to hire a preponderance of "part time" drivers whose hours they keep just below the threshold to qualify for this level of compensation. Just like Starbucks, Papa John's, and many other large corporations that are adept at skirting labor protections, minimizing benefit eligibility, and driving down wages.
Anonymous
Post 08/14/2023 10:49     Subject: UPS TO pay drivers $170,000
^ forgot to mention their vans have no a/c!!!!!!