Anonymous
07/27/2023 10:12
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
This isn't about how endowment funds are distributed or used. The PP at 21:03 implied that Michigan's large endowment means it has the most satisfied students. As you and others have noted, the calculus of endowment size is considerably more complicated than that and impacted by a wide variety of factors, not the least of which is the average wealth of students who are admitted and choose to attend in the first place. A (slightly) better measure might be the alumni giving rate. Not surprisingly, that category is dominated by expensive private universities. The top public is neither Michigan or Wisconsin--it's William and Mary.
https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/12/wm-remains-top-public-university-for-alumni-giving-in-u-s-news-rankings/
It simply means that Michigan’s graduates give back more to their Alma Mater than Wisconsin’s
Nowhere did the OP say otherwise. They are similarly sized schools with a huge endowment difference. That’s it.
One could also argue that U of Michigan is in a failing state and needs to maintain a large endowment to account for declining public funds and declining state tax revenue, more so that its peer institutions, hence more fundraising efforts. Alumni are used as their ATM.
It’s expensive to get sued over pervert coaches and presidents.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 08:56
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
You need to understand history to understand the disparity. UW was traditionally of the progressive era and tradition where public funding and investment by the government was a superseding or "wisconsin idea" - UM on the other hand made the decision relatively early to attract particularly Jews from out of state and out of state investment to suppliment the university.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 07:22
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
+ 1
Wisconsin is a great school. Might be easily on par with Michigan for STEM/Engineering.
This thread actually reminded me to add Wisconsin to the list of universities that my kid should consider when he applies in a couple of years.
Wisconsin is a great school. Might be easily on par with Michigan for STEM/Engineering.
This thread actually reminded me to add Wisconsin to the list of universities that my kid should consider when he applies in a couple of years.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 06:23
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
What career or life goal do you think you can get from Michigan that you can’t get from Wisconsin? Who cares about their relative rankings.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 05:51
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
This isn't about how endowment funds are distributed or used. The PP at 21:03 implied that Michigan's large endowment means it has the most satisfied students. As you and others have noted, the calculus of endowment size is considerably more complicated than that and impacted by a wide variety of factors, not the least of which is the average wealth of students who are admitted and choose to attend in the first place. A (slightly) better measure might be the alumni giving rate. Not surprisingly, that category is dominated by expensive private universities. The top public is neither Michigan or Wisconsin--it's William and Mary.
https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/12/wm-remains-top-public-university-for-alumni-giving-in-u-s-news-rankings/
It simply means that Michigan’s graduates give back more to their Alma Mater than Wisconsin’s
Nowhere did the OP say otherwise. They are similarly sized schools with a huge endowment difference. That’s it.
One could also argue that U of Michigan is in a failing state and needs to maintain a large endowment to account for declining public funds and declining state tax revenue, more so that its peer institutions, hence more fundraising efforts. Alumni are used as their ATM.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 05:41
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
This isn't about how endowment funds are distributed or used. The PP at 21:03 implied that Michigan's large endowment means it has the most satisfied students. As you and others have noted, the calculus of endowment size is considerably more complicated than that and impacted by a wide variety of factors, not the least of which is the average wealth of students who are admitted and choose to attend in the first place. A (slightly) better measure might be the alumni giving rate. Not surprisingly, that category is dominated by expensive private universities. The top public is neither Michigan or Wisconsin--it's William and Mary.
https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/12/wm-remains-top-public-university-for-alumni-giving-in-u-s-news-rankings/
It simply means that Michigan’s graduates give back more to their Alma Mater than Wisconsin’s
Nowhere did the OP say otherwise. They are similarly sized schools with a huge endowment difference. That’s it.
You seem dense. The endowment size alone could reflect endowment spending, investment performance, and business decisions made 50-100 years ago much more than recent alumni giving. Focusing on participate rates makes more sense.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 04:31
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin is Michigan’s number 1 back up. Nobody who gets into both chooses Wisconsin. Not saying it isn’t a good school though.
Wisconsin is also less diverse racially and geographically. It has virtually no African American students.
My kid’s first day on campus we went to the university book store. There is a montage photo of student faces - hundreds of them - as you go down to the basement level. I was struck by the sea of whiteness. It really was startling. However, my kid has had a fantastic experience there, academically and socially. Madison is an awesome town!
Anonymous
07/27/2023 03:55
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
This isn't about how endowment funds are distributed or used. The PP at 21:03 implied that Michigan's large endowment means it has the most satisfied students. As you and others have noted, the calculus of endowment size is considerably more complicated than that and impacted by a wide variety of factors, not the least of which is the average wealth of students who are admitted and choose to attend in the first place. A (slightly) better measure might be the alumni giving rate. Not surprisingly, that category is dominated by expensive private universities. The top public is neither Michigan or Wisconsin--it's William and Mary.
https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/12/wm-remains-top-public-university-for-alumni-giving-in-u-s-news-rankings/
It simply means that Michigan’s graduates give back more to their Alma Mater than Wisconsin’s
Nowhere did the OP say otherwise. They are similarly sized schools with a huge endowment difference. That’s it.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 00:07
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
This isn't about how endowment funds are distributed or used. The PP at 21:03 implied that Michigan's large endowment means it has the most satisfied students. As you and others have noted, the calculus of endowment size is considerably more complicated than that and impacted by a wide variety of factors, not the least of which is the average wealth of students who are admitted and choose to attend in the first place. A (slightly) better measure might be the alumni giving rate. Not surprisingly, that category is dominated by expensive private universities. The top public is neither Michigan or Wisconsin--it's William and Mary.
https://news.wm.edu/2022/09/12/wm-remains-top-public-university-for-alumni-giving-in-u-s-news-rankings/
Anonymous
07/26/2023 23:54
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
A large part of both the UT system endowment and the A&M endowments can only be used by the "flagship" campus.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 23:28
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Michigan people are probably the wrong group to whom you want to brag about your lakes.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 22:59
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Didn't TCU just absolutely crush Michigan in the college football playoff? TCU only has 10K undergrads. LOL
The final score was 51-45. That’s not being crushed and the last time I looked, both teams had the same number of men on the field. Hyperbole is definitely your strong point.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 22:54
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UW alum 15 years out. I've done well in my career and LOVED my time there. A universally beloved undergraduate experience creates a strong and passionate alumni network.
Endowments are a good indicator of student satisfaction. Wisconsin and Michigan are similarly sized institutions. Wisconsin’s endowment is approx. 3.5 billion. Michigan’s endowment is over 17 billion. So you tell me, where are the “passionate” graduates of Wisconsin when it comes to giving back?
Sounds like OP is considering the wrong schools. Texas and Texas A&M have the largest endowments by far, so are clearly the best.
Not really:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/10-universities-with-the-biggest-endowments
The endowment for the University of Texas is almost $43 billion. It's the richest public university by far and second only to Harvard when private schools are included. Michigan isn't even close with only $17 billion.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2023/02/17/college-endowments-dropped-fiscal-year-2022
The OP stated that both Texas AND Texas A&M had much larger endowments than Michigan. That was not accurate. TAM has a similar endowment to Michigan with many more campuses and students to educate. Furthermore, Texas has over 430,000 students on 14 campuses, a few bigger than most state flagships, using that same endowment. Michigan has only 3 campuses and less than 15% in comparison to the amount of students at UT. Ann Arbor also gets, by far, the largest share of the endowment proceeds.
Here is a listing of the 4 largest public university endowments:
Institution State Endowment[3]
(billions USD - FY2022)
University of Texas System Texas $42.668
Texas A&M University System[b] Texas $18.243
University of Michigan Michigan $17.347
University of California System[c] California $15.418
No public is close to the University of Texas system.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 22:43
Subject: Re:Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wisconsin has a large Agriculture School. The proper comparison is really Michigan State.
This is a good point. Wisconsin should be compared to Michigan State.
Not a good point. Wisconsin is the sole large public university in the state. Michigan has two.
+1
Makes more sense to compare Wisconsin to a school like Maryland or Illinois. Michigan/Michigan State would be more comparable to UVA/Virginia Tech or Indiana/Purdue.
?? There's 26 public schools in Wisconsin.
But only one flagship. That's the point. Many states have two.
No one thinks of VA Tech as Virginia’s alternative flagship.
Fine, then compare to Indiana and Purdue or Texas and Texas A&M, etc. The point is that Michigan has two massive and well-respected public universities, while Wisconsin has only one.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 22:41
Subject: Michigan vs. Wisconsin
Wisconsin has kids from every state and a lot of international students. I literally run into Wisconsin grads everywhere including random run ins on international vacations. There is a large East Coast presence and a lot of Jews. There is not a lot of African American diversity. The campus is beautiful and surrounded by lakes, trails, and the Capitol. Many of the programs are highly ranked. The business school churns out more Fortune 500 CEOs than any school, including Harvard. My husband is one of them. The football and sports scene is awesome.
Michigan is higher ranked but a pretty equal education. The campus is different but also has a great sports scene.
Michigan is higher ranked but a pretty equal education. The campus is different but also has a great sports scene.