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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

I haven’t looked but yes, that sounds like the all star qualifying numbers. Any data that isn’t an all star qualifying time is is a pdf. I’m not sure why you are arguing about this.

Weird, when I go to http://www.mcsl.org/ then click 'Meet Results'. I pick 'Week 1 Results'. Scores are listed. Then I click on one of the teams (Flower Valley is first so lets click that). I mean, I'm no expert, but that sure looks like meet results that aren't in a PDF...

Wow. Look again. Perhaps you should develop a little familiarity with the web? Yes the scores are in html, but the results with names and seed times are in a pdf. In the exact place you just described!!!! Sure it’s a pdf that is embedded in a web page but it’s still a pdf. Shaking my head in disbelief here. Idiot.

It's literally not a PDF. It's HTML. Do you even know the difference? It is NOT an embedded PDF. It's HTML in a frame. Try viewing the frame source. It's an HTML table.

To repeat one more time for you. It is not PDF! You couldn't be more wrong. Idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

I haven’t looked but yes, that sounds like the all star qualifying numbers. Any data that isn’t an all star qualifying time is is a pdf. I’m not sure why you are arguing about this.

Weird, when I go to http://www.mcsl.org/ then click 'Meet Results'. I pick 'Week 1 Results'. Scores are listed. Then I click on one of the teams (Flower Valley is first so lets click that). I mean, I'm no expert, but that sure looks like meet results that aren't in a PDF...

Wow. Look again. Perhaps you should develop a little familiarity with the web? Yes the scores are in html, but the results with names and seed times are in a pdf. In the exact place you just described!!!! Sure it’s a pdf that is embedded in a web page but it’s still a pdf. Shaking my head in disbelief here. Idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

I haven’t looked but yes, that sounds like the all star qualifying numbers. Any data that isn’t an all star qualifying time is is a pdf. I’m not sure why you are arguing about this.

Weird, when I go to http://www.mcsl.org/ then click 'Meet Results'. I pick 'Week 1 Results'. Scores are listed. Then I click on one of the teams (Flower Valley is first so lets click that). I mean, I'm no expert, but that sure looks like meet results that aren't in a PDF...

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

I haven’t looked but yes, that sounds like the all star qualifying numbers. Any data that isn’t an all star qualifying time is is a pdf. I’m not sure why you are arguing about this.

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

I haven’t looked but yes, that sounds like the all star qualifying numbers. Any data that isn’t an all star qualifying time is is a pdf. I’m not sure why you are arguing about this.

Alas, now we can see the disconnect. Another lesson for newbies, understand the lingo. The gulf between being close to the top 16 in a league like MCSL and maybe being close to the top 100 is a wide one.

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

The phrase the poster used was "...narrowly missing All Stars." In MCSL speak this would mean that they were close to the top 16 on the MCSL list, ie actually making it to the meet - otherwise one would say "... narrowly missing an all star time.", which for MCSL the nominating time for 8u girls breast is 29.40.... actually making it to the "show" this year you'd need to be around 4 and a half seconds faster(aorund 25.0 or so).

This is why you can take MCSL off the list here because this isn't how they would phrase it.

The more you know

Yes, but the initial comment the poster also acknowledged not knowing anything about swim. So maybe they are just naïve about what constitutes narrowly missing All Stars.

It sounds like they think everyone on the MCSL list, the one that's not a pdf, is an all star.

MCSL publishes weekly results in pdfs only, so that league seemed like the most obvious reference. Reachforthewall has their weekly results in database form though so it's not like the league is keeping any secrets.

PMSL had no 7 year old girls with significant time drops in breaststroke at divisionals, so they're out. They also have a top times list not limited to all stars.

PWSL doesn't hold an all star meet, so they're out.

The Herndon Swim League also likes pdfs and doesn't appear to publish most results so there's another possibility. Times for the all star meet are really slow (36 seconds was the winner in Division A 8&u girls 25 breaststroke). A novice could come close to those times, which would make sense too.

The Old Dominion Swim League has crude rankings that extend beyond all stars, so they're out.

NVSL, CSL, and DCCL all publish results in databases, so they're out.

The Reston Swim Team Association and the Columbia Neighborhood Swim League don't hold divisionals, so they're out.

The Country Club Swimming and Diving Association had a 7 year old girl drop from 44 to 38 in 25 breaststroke at Division C Championships but they don't hold an all star meet (and even if they did 38 seconds shouldn't be close to qualifying) so they're out.

That is truly creepy you looked at all those.

Very disturbing

You find people performing useful research disturbing? Much better than the trolls who waste their time here

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Anonymous wrote:There was an 8 year old on our team who dropped about 25 seconds in breast stroke over just two weeks, earning a first place in divisionals.

Funny because all the 8&u division winners in our league were posting consistently fast times in the weeks leading up to Divisionals.

If you really took the time to look that up then I can only assume you are in a different league. You also don’t have access to B times because they aren’t publicly available. There are also some kids in divisionals with NT for the stroke in question.

Reachforthewall has the seed times for divisional meets across multiple leagues. The events described above are easily verifiable or refuted. If it really happened, it would be so unusual that it would probably make the Washington Post.

You think it's that extraordinary that a kid dropped 6 seconds at Divisionals as an 8U that you can suss out the data? It's not going to have B meet times for the bigger time drop.

Some people have way too much time on their hands.

Those bigger time drops don't exist. The data is all there to show the seed times regardless of where they came from.

No it isn’t. I doubt you can look it up anyway, but what’s being talked about here is a six second drop at divisionals, with a bigger drop in two weeks prior to divisionals. I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league. To verify this you’d have to look at so many different sources you’d have to be nuts to be that obsessive. It’s also on sketchy ethical grounds to publicly identify a 6 year old kid in form like this.

http:// mynvsl.com or http://csl.nvblu.com/, or mcsl.org. What league doesn't publish results?

Read it again: Anywhere other than the PDF. None of the swim ranking websites pull info from those PDFs.

I’ve never seen any of my kid’s A meet times listed and available anywhere but the PDF produced and made available by league.

You realize all of those sites publish results that ARE NOT PDFs, right?

DP. Not true. MCSL certainly doesn’t.

MCSL rankings are most definitely published in non-pdf form. http://mcsl.org/AllStars.aspx

Only individual all stars. That’s it.

Wrong. Most of those kids on that list are close to being all stars but are not all stars. Unlike some of the other leagues, MCSL only publishes times below a certain cut, known as the nominating time.

Which means I’m not wrong. The only non pdf lists are all stars, as I said.

So you think there are 103 girls in MCSL who are all stars in 8&u breaststroke? If so, that explains A LOT.

The phrase the poster used was "...narrowly missing All Stars." In MCSL speak this would mean that they were close to the top 16 on the MCSL list, ie actually making it to the meet - otherwise one would say "... narrowly missing an all star time.", which for MCSL the nominating time for 8u girls breast is 29.40.... actually making it to the "show" this year you'd need to be around 4 and a half seconds faster(aorund 25.0 or so).

This is why you can take MCSL off the list here because this isn't how they would phrase it.

The more you know

Yes, but the initial comment the poster also acknowledged not knowing anything about swim. So maybe they are just naïve about what constitutes narrowly missing All Stars.

It sounds like they think everyone on the MCSL list, the one that's not a pdf, is an all star.

MCSL publishes weekly results in pdfs only, so that league seemed like the most obvious reference. Reachforthewall has their weekly results in database form though so it's not like the league is keeping any secrets.

PMSL had no 7 year old girls with significant time drops in breaststroke at divisionals, so they're out. They also have a top times list not limited to all stars.

PWSL doesn't hold an all star meet, so they're out.

The Herndon Swim League also likes pdfs and doesn't appear to publish most results so there's another possibility. Times for the all star meet are really slow (36 seconds was the winner in Division A 8&u girls 25 breaststroke). A novice could come close to those times, which would make sense too.

The Old Dominion Swim League has crude rankings that extend beyond all stars, so they're out.

NVSL, CSL, and DCCL all publish results in databases, so they're out.

The Reston Swim Team Association and the Columbia Neighborhood Swim League don't hold divisionals, so they're out.

The Country Club Swimming and Diving Association had a 7 year old girl drop from 44 to 38 in 25 breaststroke at Division C Championships but they don't hold an all star meet (and even if they did 38 seconds shouldn't be close to qualifying) so they're out.

That is truly creepy you looked at all those.

Very disturbing