Anonymous
07/06/2023 09:50
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree 100 percent with the OP. It’s not possible or fair either to your children or your employer. One or the other is getting the shaft - probably both.
WFH is a scam.
at Freddie Mac, all the Indian moms would do this. have children in the background. it was part of Freddie Mac culture.
I literally lost my job at Freddie trying to get Indian moms to work. Was a relief. They gave me big severance and no longer my problem.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 08:40
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:I agree 100 percent with the OP. It’s not possible or fair either to your children or your employer. One or the other is getting the shaft - probably both.
WFH is a scam.
at Freddie Mac, all the Indian moms would do this. have children in the background. it was part of Freddie Mac culture.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 08:39
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The “take advantage” myth again?
Look, remote work is here permanently. It’s not changing. Deal with it. The way we work has shifted for good.
It’s changing alright. We’re seeing less and less of it.
Ha ha ok. Do you honestly think that the current trend is more work from home and not less?
Right.
For some strange reason it’s like you desperately want this to be true. But it’s not.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 08:37
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have children who are older (college up). Am I the only one who gets annoyed when I'm on a call with a wfh person and the baby or toddler is ok their lap fussing or crying? And you're trying to have a work meeting?
May be unpopular opinion but I think wfh people should still have sitters or daycare or help. But then they whine about the cost. I get it. But Hou had to pay for this prior to covid! And now you save on not having to commute but yet you're too broke for childcare?
I think childcare should be mandatory for wfh up until maybe the age that kids are legally allowed to stay home alone. Age 10? Not sure.
I'm sure I'll get hate. But curious of other people's thoughts.
This doesn’t happen, it’s made up RTO propaganda. Anyone with kids would have camera off and mute, or keep them out of view. Have to head to “bathroom” often to attend the kid.
You aren’t this persons manager, so if it really is happening, they have likely cleared it with them and are productive and skilled than a boomer with college age kids even with kids at home.
WTF? It most assuredly DOES happen. It’s not “made up” in the slightest.
I agree. It happens all the time.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 02:57
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The “take advantage” myth again?
Look, remote work is here permanently. It’s not changing. Deal with it. The way we work has shifted for good.
It’s changing alright. We’re seeing less and less of it.
For some strange reason it’s like you desperately want this to be true. But it’s not.
It is true. For some strange reason, it’s like you desperately want this not to be true. But it is true.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 02:49
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:The “take advantage” myth again?
Look, remote work is here permanently. It’s not changing. Deal with it. The way we work has shifted for good.
Sure, Jan. More and more workers who were allowed WFH during the pandemic are being called back into the office. Deal with it.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 01:53
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:The WFH crybabies are losers. Remember, the new cool is quiet quitting. If you’re their boss, maybe you can fire them.
lol this OP is very clearly not anyone’s boss.
What actual bosses in this area know is that retention is the new hiring. Every employee is casually looking at other positions in a job market like this one. The parent OP is complaining about is likely considered a more valuable employee than OP.
Anonymous
07/06/2023 01:32
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have children who are older (college up). Am I the only one who gets annoyed when I'm on a call with a wfh person and the baby or toddler is ok their lap fussing or crying? And you're trying to have a work meeting?
May be unpopular opinion but I think wfh people should still have sitters or daycare or help. But then they whine about the cost. I get it. But Hou had to pay for this prior to covid! And now you save on not having to commute but yet you're too broke for childcare?
I think childcare should be mandatory for wfh up until maybe the age that kids are legally allowed to stay home alone. Age 10? Not sure.
I'm sure I'll get hate. But curious of other people's thoughts.
This doesn’t happen, it’s made up RTO propaganda. Anyone with kids would have camera off and mute, or keep them out of view. Have to head to “bathroom” often to attend the kid.
You aren’t this persons manager, so if it really is happening, they have likely cleared it with them and are productive and skilled than a boomer with college age kids even with kids at home.
WTF? It most assuredly DOES happen. It’s not “made up” in the slightest.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 22:51
Subject: Re:WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
PP again and we were paying a lot of childcare. So we couldn’t afford to pay back up childcare to cover a full week out of school. So we took lots of days off or my DH worked with her in the house with him.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 22:50
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I WFH sometimes and believe me, I never WANT my toddler to be home from daycare.
Agree the norm should be to have childcare coverage during working hours.
When there are multiple young children in daycare just please be aware that sick days are frequent, especially if one kid is an infant getting illnesses for the first time. So the employee in question may not have much choice, and you may actually be getting more work out of them if the choice is WFH day vs. sick day with no work.
Yea but before covid and the advent of WFH these days were far fewer. Clearly lots of mothers are taking advantage.
Before COVID, daycare centers and schools were much more lenient with a kid with a mild runny nose. Also, parents hadn’t depleted all their sick leave thanks to close contact quarantines and 10-day COVID isolation periods. Our COVID policies were draconian for parents with young kids and working parents are still trying to rebuild their reserves from that.
+1
This past school year our daycare was fine. But 2021-22 school year? My child was quarantined for exposure three different times. In the fall that meant being out of school at least 7 days. In the spring it was between 3-5 days depending on weekends. And she was perfectly fine. Couple that with when she was actually sick (and they were really strict on keeping her home with a runny nose or whatever) and it was exhausting.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 21:33
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
I tell people to contact me later when their children are not around. It's not professional.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 21:32
Subject: Re:WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
I agree that you should not be using WFH as your full-time childcare plan. However, I think that is very different from occasionally logging into work while your kid is home sick or when school is randomly closed.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 21:21
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:I have children who are older (college up). Am I the only one who gets annoyed when I'm on a call with a wfh person and the baby or toddler is ok their lap fussing or crying? And you're trying to have a work meeting?
May be unpopular opinion but I think wfh people should still have sitters or daycare or help. But then they whine about the cost. I get it. But Hou had to pay for this prior to covid! And now you save on not having to commute but yet you're too broke for childcare?
I think childcare should be mandatory for wfh up until maybe the age that kids are legally allowed to stay home alone. Age 10? Not sure.
I'm sure I'll get hate. But curious of other people's thoughts.
I’m like you in that I have older children. I am unlike you in every other respect as far as this post.
I stayed home with my kids for years and did not work for pay. I’m back in the workforce and marvel at the heartlessness of posts like this. Have some compassion, raising kids is hard no matter how it is done. Be glad you aren’t the one with a fussy toddler and stop acting like one.
Now, if there is an employee who seems to routinely do this as a strategy, I’d look at ways to solve that issue.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 21:11
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
The WFH crybabies are losers. Remember, the new cool is quiet quitting. If you’re their boss, maybe you can fire them.
Anonymous
07/05/2023 21:01
Subject: WFH and taking advantage? (Children)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP, wake up and smell the coffee. This isn’t 2020.
Right. Nowadays women can openly fleece their employers and the taxpayer.
Men don’t have children? Your misogyny is showing, in addition to your lack of intelligence.
Sadly, the burden of child rearing is on women in most countries including the US. Remember when you took maternity leave and your husband took a few weeks max? That was your own misogyny showing when you went along with that.
My husband took 4 months of paternity leave with each of our kids. Troll harder next time.
I don’t know a single man who did that and I’m a millennial.
That's sad. I know plenty of dad's who took at least a couple months off.
What I said was, never saw a man take 4 months. Even among men who were technically allowed to by employer policy.