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Kid collectors. Such a weird thing.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

I’m assuming it’s the timing- she wanted another and started making steps towards surrogacy but then also got pregnant

The other baby is older. So the timing would have been intentional. She was already pregnant and wanted another.

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Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

You STFU. I conceived two kids with ART. Chrissy was already pregnant when she tried with the surrogate for one more. Simple facts. This was highly orchestrated and planned.

Are you talking about the person who has had at least 1 late term loss? That person? Then she is more than welcome to try every avenue to complete her family. You ascribe some nefarious intent to this person, and it is totally unhinged and not supported by the fact.s

I'm talking to the person who doesn't understand that somehow this wasn't all random. Of course it was. But it's a discussion board and we're allowed to discuss completing a family by any means possible and whether or not surrogacy is ethical, especially for women who already have large families. Like Chrissy or Hilaria. Pretending surrogacy is a beautiful gift and ignoring the ethics is disingenuous. That she is "more than welcome" is just one opinion. Other opinions may vary.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

You STFU. I conceived two kids with ART. Chrissy was already pregnant when she tried with the surrogate for one more. Simple facts. This was highly orchestrated and planned.

Are you talking about the person who has had at least 1 late term loss? That person? Then she is more than welcome to try every avenue to complete her family. You ascribe some nefarious intent to this person, and it is totally unhinged and not supported by the fact.s

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

You STFU. I conceived two kids with ART. Chrissy was already pregnant when she tried with the surrogate for one more. Simple facts. This was highly orchestrated and planned.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, things that one doesn't understand are often murky/questionable. You could try to find out more, maybe ask a surrogate or someone who has worked with a surrogate, or if those are too hard you can throw vague shots on the internet about "money and power". No one forced Chrissy Teigen's surrogate to work with her, or act as a surrogate, or continue to work with her after the initial loss. This attitude is so condescending to the wonderful surrogates and intended parents out there. I see the same sneering condescension on the prior pages about "nannies doing night duty". People involved in childcare are (or should be anyway!) considered highly respected professionals. The best ones command status, pay and benefits befitting of such an important role. But there's no satisfying the jealous harridans of DCUM.

I don't envy Teigan, but I actually know a lot about surrogacy, and my issues with it are not vague or uninformed. I have serious reservations about it and I am uncomfortable with the increasing popularity of it as an option for wealthy and famous couples. I do not view it as an unmitigated good. It's complicated, and it's not so simple as someone wanting a baby and a woman volunteering to gestate one for them. It's never that simple.

And the comments about "nannies doing night duty" were simply accurate. Teigan, to her credit, has been very honest about how much help she and Legend have as parents, and they had a night nanny with Miles and I would assume given the challenges of having two infants plus two older children, and Teigan's history with mental health issues, that they are not going to skimp on childcare this time. That's not an insult, it's an acknowledgement of reality.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, things that one doesn't understand are often murky/questionable. You could try to find out more, maybe ask a surrogate or someone who has worked with a surrogate, or if those are too hard you can throw vague shots on the internet about "money and power". No one forced Chrissy Teigen's surrogate to work with her, or act as a surrogate, or continue to work with her after the initial loss. This attitude is so condescending to the wonderful surrogates and intended parents out there. I see the same sneering condescension on the prior pages about "nannies doing night duty". People involved in childcare are (or should be anyway!) considered highly respected professionals. The best ones command status, pay and benefits befitting of such an important role. But there's no satisfying the jealous harridans of DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

Have you done IVF or surrogacy? If so, please do not pretend to know what you are talking about. Any guess how many of the six years I was doing IVF and/or surrogacy before my daughter was born? Any idea how it feels to be running up against the clock? Feeling like every cycle is your last? If not, then kindly STFU.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Lots does not equal everyone. Obviously. But we're talking about IVF and surrogacy. These are highly planned and scheduled events. I don't know why people are arguing otherwise. These aren't oops, random, or unplanned in any way.

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Anonymous wrote:This made my jaw drop a bit but I'm very happy for them. At least from my viewpoint, they appear to be a very loving family.

Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.

True. But (and I know logic can be tricky) that does not mean, logically or biologically, that everyone can always schedule their babies.

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, Wren Alexander is absolutely gorgeous! Both Wren and Esri are, but that baby boy is so damn perfect.

I’m happy for them. I thought Chrissy’s message about the surrogate and birth was really sweet and heartfelt.

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Who has a surrogate have a baby when they’re already pregnant with another? This feels like family manufacturing, not need.

She explained it quite nicely on her IG. She met the surrogate with John and they both immediately knew she was 'the one' and they became friends. Chrissy said she also had a moment of clarity and told John that she wanted to try 1 more time to carry on her own and if it ended badly, then so be it. They'd already been through the worst pain imaginable so she knew they could survive anything. They did 1 more round of IVF and she became pregnant with Esti who was born first. The surrogate was then implanted with this embryo months later, IMO, probably after she passed a point where she felt her pregnancy was going to be viable.

That explanation doesn't make a lot of sense. She passed the point of viability in her own pregnancy and then decided to go ahead with the surrogacy? Why? If she was happy with trying 1 more time why did she double down with the surrogacy as well. Maybe it makes sense in her own warped mind but the explanation makes no sense as you described it. Why not just say "because I felt like it."

Because they wanted 4 kids, not 3. If you read the post instead of attacking people's summaries you might understand, but given the "warped mind" accusation it seems you just want to fling barbs at a celebrity you don't like.

Where in the post does it say "we wanted 4 not 3". I was addressing that summary. And people who taunt and bully kids online are warped. She has earned any disrespect she gets.

Literally the first sentence of her long explainer says she always wanted 4 children.

Why didn't they wait a bit if they were going the surrogate route? Let the five month old have the time she needs?

I don't know, why did I have a six year age gap instead of a three year age gap between my kids? Because having babies, with a surrogate or otherwise, is not something you can schedule. Remember surrogates are people too, with their own timeframe and personal/professional commitments to attend to. It's not like doordash for babies.

Lots of people schedule their babies. Especially with surrogates.