Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 12:00     Subject: Re:Honors for All: when will it end
If you care at all about college admissions, you have to play that game. There are plenty of 4.2 wgpa, multiple-AP students who are rejected from UMD.


Apply out of state, to an area of the country where APs aren't as prolific.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2023 10:44     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
This +1000!
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2023 11:53     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Honors for all isn't going away. It's just part of the ongoing struggle to dumb things down like 4.8W GPA's or making SATs so much easier that 1500+ is commonplace. The trick is finding a way to work the system to still get a good education despite all this.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2023 10:18     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:AP Seminar is already offered at my kid's high school (with AP Research offered the following year as a 2-year plan). Are you saying that there's a pilot plan to let that be a replacement for 10th grade English? That would be great. My rising sophomore was debating whether to take it next year but couldn't make it fit; still considering whether to do it in 11th grade instead.


Yes - it is offered now as an elective, but MCPS says it will align it with the English 10 requirements so that it can count as the required english course in 10th grade.


Interesting. So what now kids will take AP Seminar, AP Research and then what? Don’t think most Social Science or Natural Science students are going to want to cycle through AP Lang or AP Literature at that point.


I think most kids on the AP track will do AP Seminar, AP Langiage, and AP Literatire for English 10, 11, and 12. Some may also do AP Research if they want the capstone.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2023 09:44     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More on the AP Seminar: English 10 option: https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-seminar/course/elevate-english-10


Omg College Board is just trying to extract a tax from every regular high school class.


AP Seminar is a good class.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2023 09:21     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:AP Seminar is already offered at my kid's high school (with AP Research offered the following year as a 2-year plan). Are you saying that there's a pilot plan to let that be a replacement for 10th grade English? That would be great. My rising sophomore was debating whether to take it next year but couldn't make it fit; still considering whether to do it in 11th grade instead.


Yes - it is offered now as an elective, but MCPS says it will align it with the English 10 requirements so that it can count as the required english course in 10th grade.


Interesting. So what now kids will take AP Seminar, AP Research and then what? Don’t think most Social Science or Natural Science students are going to want to cycle through AP Lang or AP Literature at that point.

At least it's an alternative to honors for all, where kids learn next to nothing.
Anonymous
Post 06/24/2023 06:38     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:AP Seminar is already offered at my kid's high school (with AP Research offered the following year as a 2-year plan). Are you saying that there's a pilot plan to let that be a replacement for 10th grade English? That would be great. My rising sophomore was debating whether to take it next year but couldn't make it fit; still considering whether to do it in 11th grade instead.


Yes - it is offered now as an elective, but MCPS says it will align it with the English 10 requirements so that it can count as the required english course in 10th grade.


Interesting. So what now kids will take AP Seminar, AP Research and then what? Don’t think most Social Science or Natural Science students are going to want to cycle through AP Lang or AP Literature at that point.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 23:22     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a horrible trend in mcps middle & high schools. Any end in sight?


I am sorry my kids are out of MCPS but what does that mean??


It means all kids take “honors” — regardless of ability or motivation, or even the ability to speak English. Its in name only and it means nothing since everyone is lumped together. It seems a disservice for all.

No, they are in ESOL.
But don't let me stop you from spreading your misinformation.


NP here. At my school they are not all in ESOL. I have had kids put into my Honors science classes who can barely speak English. The enterprising ones will use Google Translate to communicate with me. But others are completely overwhelmed and just shut down. We don’t have ESOL sections for all our science classes unfortunately
Transplant_1
Post 06/23/2023 21:40     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Essentially, that seems to be what's going on.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 19:32     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More on the AP Seminar: English 10 option: https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-seminar/course/elevate-english-10


Omg College Board is just trying to extract a tax from every regular high school class.


The most ridiculous is AP precalc. That's not a college course.

But I'm grateful for the English 10 course - maybe that will allow for at least a bit of differentiation so that kids aren't all in the sane class.


Anything that provides a way out of the fake honors classes is welcome.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 19:13     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is a horrible trend in mcps middle & high schools. Any end in sight?


I am sorry my kids are out of MCPS but what does that mean??


It means all kids take “honors” — regardless of ability or motivation, or even the ability to speak English. Its in name only and it means nothing since everyone is lumped together. It seems a disservice for all.

No, they are in ESOL.
But don't let me stop you from spreading your misinformation.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 17:16     Subject: Re:Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids would have been Churchill HS students. We pulled the first one out after middle school and the second one never attended an MCPS school. What we learned by accident is that the private schools they attend offer much fewer AP courses that start in junior year. So the pressure on the kids is much less and they are still surrounded by strong academic students. My oldest got into and just graduated from a top 20 university. My youngest just completed 9th grade and next year will take 3 honors classes...no APs offered in 10th. The school she attends is small and sent 25% of their graduates to top 20 schools last year.

In my opinion, private school pays off big in this area...unless you have a kid that thrives on being stressed out. I don't know too many kids like that.



How would you possibly know the stress levels of mcps HS kids when yours did not attend? My MCPS kid is also at a t20 school and did not find his very stressful.


Read it right here. Also my oldest has many MCPS friends. The pressure to take tons of APs is over the top.


AP classes should not be that stressful to take. They have sort of morphed into standard hs


AP has expanded , not morphed. New classes like CS Principles and Precalculus, and wider deployment of old courses like Physics 1/B, are high school level.


How does CS principles compare with the Intro CS class that MCPS offers? My kid is not into CS so was avoiding AP for fear it would be too advanced. But if it really is a HS level course, maybe it makes sense to take that...
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 17:14     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More on the AP Seminar: English 10 option: https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-seminar/course/elevate-english-10


Omg College Board is just trying to extract a tax from every regular high school class.


The most ridiculous is AP precalc. That's not a college course.

But I'm grateful for the English 10 course - maybe that will allow for at least a bit of differentiation so that kids aren't all in the sane class.
Anonymous
Post 06/23/2023 15:05     Subject: Honors for All: when will it end
Anonymous wrote:More on the AP Seminar: English 10 option: https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-seminar/course/elevate-english-10


Omg College Board is just trying to extract a tax from every regular high school class.