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Anonymous wrote:I don’t include it because I really don’t care if anyone at work thinks that I am a man or a woman.

Same. In fact, if I was misgendered as a man, it would probably work in my favor.

I’m female and get misgendered all the time in emails. Why on earth would I list my pronouns when I could enjoy that sweet, sweet male privilege?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Global teams is actually where sharing pronouns is useful. There are hardly and trans people.

Why do they need to share three of them? Why not just say (male)?

Are there trans people who identify as one gender on the subjective and a different gender in the objective, or a third in the possessive?

If I’m forced to do this, my pronouns are we, us, and our.

Because this whole thing is total virtue signaling bullshit.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should start including genitalia pictures instead of signature blocks, just so there’s no confusion.

I’m a dinosaur but even *I* know that genitalia can be distinct from gender identity…might want to educate yourself!

Anonymous wrote:Maybe we should start including genitalia pictures instead of signature blocks, just so there’s no confusion.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m about done with all of this. I think we should switch to they/their/them for everyone. The overwhelming majority of jobs, a person’s gender (biological or preferred), makes absolutely no difference. There’s long been discrimination against women. Now, there’s the concern about discrimination against trans. It was bad enough when you had to consider if a woman wanted to be addressed as Miss/Mrs. or Ms. Now we have to keep track of everyone’s pronouns. I have enough problems keeping faces and names straight. Not to mention, I find it irksome that we have to be so sensitive to identifying people as they wish, but apparently now, I can no longer identify aw simply a woman. Somewhere along the way, society decided I was a cis-woman and forgot to ask my preference.

I vote we switch to first initial, last name, and neutral pronouns for everyone. Maybe then we can stop worrying about the problems the more complicated forms of address cause, and get down to business, which is presumably what a workplace is for.

That’s not how language works. You can’t just change it in that way, it’s an organic thing.

There is nothing mainstream or organic happening here.
Identity labels are 100% political. And frankly are phasing out. The activists and leftists overplayed their card, as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't yet decided what pronouns I want to go by yet. It would therefore be extremely invasive to ask me to proactively provide mine, and I would baulk at the idea.

That’s not how it works. People don’t get to choose their pronouns, it’s emergent from your apparent sex. Gender identity is not a real thing.

Agree gender “identity” is a made up thing. Your sex is most definitely not. Even if you transition, with hormones and plastic surgery.

Anonymous wrote:If I were penalized for not sharing pronouns, I would sue. This crap is getting out of hand.

You do not have to share any GD pronouns. It's your right to privacy.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m about done with all of this. I think we should switch to they/their/them for everyone. The overwhelming majority of jobs, a person’s gender (biological or preferred), makes absolutely no difference. There’s long been discrimination against women. Now, there’s the concern about discrimination against trans. It was bad enough when you had to consider if a woman wanted to be addressed as Miss/Mrs. or Ms. Now we have to keep track of everyone’s pronouns. I have enough problems keeping faces and names straight. Not to mention, I find it irksome that we have to be so sensitive to identifying people as they wish, but apparently now, I can no longer identify aw simply a woman. Somewhere along the way, society decided I was a cis-woman and forgot to ask my preference.

I vote we switch to first initial, last name, and neutral pronouns for everyone. Maybe then we can stop worrying about the problems the more complicated forms of address cause, and get down to business, which is presumably what a workplace is for.

That’s not how language works. You can’t just change it in that way, it’s an organic thing.

Really? It seems like the switch to declaring pronouns and identifying biological women as “cis” were pretty abrupt changes. They’re cumbersome, but they’ve gained momentum because we don’t want to offend others. Except that, according to this thread, some of the trans individuals these policies are supposed to protect, it actually puts in a predicament if they’re not ready to declare their preference.

This is not an organic shift in language. These are office policies implemented to avoid legal liability and negative attention for not being sensitive enough. My suggestions would mean that people were free to identify however they wanted, but that such identification is irrelevant for business communication. It would seem to satisfy the goals of the current policies better than the current policies do. Instead of everyone going out of their way to make sure trans individuals don’t feel othered, the approach I suggest would mean they aren’t othered, because we just agree that gender is irrelevant for most positions. In the very few positions where a specific gender might be required, it can be listed as a job requirement like any other, but it doesn’t need to be reflected in how that person is addressed.

Anonymous wrote:I haven't yet decided what pronouns I want to go by yet. It would therefore be extremely invasive to ask me to proactively provide mine, and I would baulk at the idea.

That’s not how it works. People don’t get to choose their pronouns, it’s emergent from your apparent sex. Gender identity is not a real thing.

Anonymous wrote:I’m about done with all of this. I think we should switch to they/their/them for everyone. The overwhelming majority of jobs, a person’s gender (biological or preferred), makes absolutely no difference. There’s long been discrimination against women. Now, there’s the concern about discrimination against trans. It was bad enough when you had to consider if a woman wanted to be addressed as Miss/Mrs. or Ms. Now we have to keep track of everyone’s pronouns. I have enough problems keeping faces and names straight. Not to mention, I find it irksome that we have to be so sensitive to identifying people as they wish, but apparently now, I can no longer identify aw simply a woman. Somewhere along the way, society decided I was a cis-woman and forgot to ask my preference.

I vote we switch to first initial, last name, and neutral pronouns for everyone. Maybe then we can stop worrying about the problems the more complicated forms of address cause, and get down to business, which is presumably what a workplace is for.

That’s not how language works. You can’t just change it in that way, it’s an organic thing.

I don't share mine because my gender doesn't (well, at least shouldn't) have anything to do with me as a professional. If other people want to identify themselves this way, that's perfectly fine and they can decide that. I get to decide for myself, too.

But, I think OP is a troll. If not, that employer is going to be in for a nice juicy lawsuit.

Why do you have to share pronouns? Can’t everybody have their own? x-D

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Anonymous wrote:I am queer and will never “proactively” share my pronouns. I’m a woman. It’s obvious. This is such virtue signaling bs I can’t even. This makes me so mad.

Why doesn’t it make you mad? The point is to do one small thing that can help make other people’s lives easier. Is it really that difficult to edit your email signature?

In real life, this has zero impact. It’s woke virtue signaling that I will not support.

What is “woke virtue signaling” in your view?

Leadership demanding that everyone share their pronouns so they can feel better about themselves.

Not sure I understand. PPs have explained how this helps people. Why are you opposed?

Because the people who write things like this assume to know what helps people.

I’m Jewish and I don’t expect people to write #fightantisemitism on their signature so I know they don’t hate me before they know my religion. I choose to just respect people and use the pronouns they prefer. I don’t feel I need to share mine. My name is an obvious female name.

Obvious to whom?

Not the PP but I'm assuming it's obvious to anyone who still chooses to use common sense.

I will support and use proper terminology for anyone who chooses to include that in the email or in conversation. I'm not against it at all.

I will not be forced into this virtue-signaling BS for myself. I am a woman, no one is confused about that. They do not need me to announce it intentionally in emails or verbally. Why would someone named Sarah who obviously is a woman, dresses like one, and sounds like one need to include she/her/hers??

It's stupid and pointless. But again, ask me to refer to you as anything you wish and I'll respect that and do it gladly.

It’s clear you just have WASP friends/coworker because even sarah is not obviously female to people from other countries.

PP you're responding to and I am an immigrant who moved to the US when I was 20, so....

Being an immigrant doesn't preclude being WASP.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do pronouns matter at work? In my field, it's irrelevant. Our team is international, many people with first names I've no idea the gender of like Kaosisochukwu. Just do the job and move on with the day.

Global teams is actually where sharing pronouns is useful. There are hardly and trans people.

I don't understand why it matters whether the coworker is a man or a woman.

+1 there are a lot of parts of my identity that matter to me. Being a mom, my race, religion, age, where I was born and have lived, political views, relationship status... Someone getting a work email from from me is not going to know all of that. They don't need to.