Anonymous wrote:Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy

Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.

This nails it.

I'm a lefty progressive and when I encounter people who can't admit the ways the left was wrong on aspect of Covid, or contributed to misinformation and dysfunction, I get so frustrated. Yes, Trump was an idiot who bungled the initial response, and yes, the angry anti-mask, anti-vaccine MAGA people are a problem. But if you can't see the mistakes the left made as well, you lose credibility, because there were a lot of them.

I do give a lot of credit to Biden and his team for quietly unrolling/rejecting the more unhinged positions of some people on the left, often opening themselves up to criticism. It's the right thing to do and is part of what has enabled people to arrive at these conclusions in a sane way instead of continuing to cling to prior delusions. There was a lot of reactionary behavior from the left that was entirely about proving Trump and his followers wrong and had little if anything to do with public health or even basic progressive principles like ensuring families and children have access to basic services.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy

Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.

I agree with this. Most people feel this way.

Anonymous wrote:We never did real lockdowns. Think of all the lives saved in china with real lockdowns.

LOL. Are you being sarcastic? I'm assuming that you're joking. China is/was a disaster and I can't think of anyone who really wants to emulate anything that goes on in China.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.

Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.

Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.

Anonymous wrote:We never did real lockdowns. Think of all the lives saved in china with real lockdowns.

Anyone who wants to emulate Chinese policies on anything shouldn't be taken seriously.

We never did real lockdowns. Think of all the lives saved in china with real lockdowns.

Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy

Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.

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Anonymous wrote:The report is not a political issue nor is anyone denying the amount of deaths. It is a report based on research from several sources showing the number of lives saved by mandatory lockdowns nowhere close to the predictions.

It appears the savings were not were the risks. Yes you can put down economic losses but it is businesses that employee people who need the benefit of those jobs:

It is saying it wasn’t 100’s of thousands of lives saved.

I'm ready for a non-political study, but this ain't it.

Explain how a meta analysis of study results is political?

Cherry-picking results, methodology and attempting to prove a pre-ordained conclusion. This is what ideological and disingenuous “think tanks” like this do.

Please go through the studies and tell me what is incorrect. Your bias is showing. You don't want to believe you were misled. Now prove you are right. I'm still waiting.

I already told you: I don’t indulge sealion trolls. Look that up if you don’t understand what it means (yeah, I get the irony of that statement).

The IEA is not a credible organization and any “research” it puts out, meta or not, is not credible by default. Full stop, the end, lovely parting gifts for you and all that.

Sit down.

So you cannot refute any of the data? All you can do is use some forum speak for some kind of troll. This is what those who cannot refute the data do. They name call; the obfuscate and they say well the source is right leaning so it must be wrong.

There is no end because you say so! Got it? Good now to name call someone else and refuse to go to bed because you feel someone is wrong on the internet because you refuse to acknowledge empirical evidence that destroys everything we were told!

I don't have to refute it. The SSRN rejected the paper. That speaks volumes about it's validity.

The contortions the authors go into to explain their screening process for which studies to include in their "analysis" and which to not is another big clue that the conclusions here were preordained and the studies selected for inclusion were intended to arrive at that conclusion.

How about you tell us why you think the findings are valid, other than the fact that they're in a 200-page report they hope no one will actually read?

Anonymous wrote:Remember when 3000 people died on 9-11 and we got into two whole ass wars about it and the airport is a PITA to this day?

And now those same people who got us into the wars are saying “saving 4000 Americans wasn’t worth it!”

It's almost like two different situations are different.

And there are plenty of people on the right, like me, who believe that there was government overreach in the response to 9-11.

But, the restrictions imposed post 9-11 and the negative impact on civil rights pales in comparison to what happened during the pandemic. I'm glad we live in a Federal republic, where the national government couldn't impose a nationwide lockdown, like people like Fauci and Brix wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

that’s not entirely true. for a period of time, movement was restricted in a number of states. in DC you could have been fined or imprisoned for leaving your house to go skiing.

https://coronavirus.dc.gov/stayhome

NP but lol. I guess I should’ve been in jail. I sure enjoyed my trip (not a ski trip but a trip nonetheless) So dumb. Such a complete overreaction.

By all means please keep complaining that the covid restrictions you and many others aggressively ignored didn’t work

If something was never going to work, why should someone engage in it?

Remember when 3000 people died on 9-11 and we got into two whole ass wars about it and the airport is a PITA to this day?

And now those same people who got us into the wars are saying “saving 4000 Americans wasn’t worth it!”

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

that’s not entirely true. for a period of time, movement was restricted in a number of states. in DC you could have been fined or imprisoned for leaving your house to go skiing.

https://coronavirus.dc.gov/stayhome

Two points:

1) DC never enforced those rules within DC limits in any meaningful sense.
2) The Mayor of DC and/or the Governor of any given State, cannot legally ban people from traveling out of, to, or through the District and/or the State in question.

So, no, we were in no danger of arrest when we left DC to fly to ski or beach vacations, regardless of some theoretical stay at home order.

Americans need to understand their rights better.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.

This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.

I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.

It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective

There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.

In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.

Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.

One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.