Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 17:12     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
It’s not about Republicans. It’s about the Friends & Family jobs for life and handouts to the coterie
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 17:11     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
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Anonymous wrote:I've heard it said that ranked choice voting is how NYC finally got a moderate mayor, no? Sounds promising to me!


NYC got Eric Adams through ranked choice voting. Be careful what you wish for.


Conversely, without RCV, there would be a stronger party machine that would be helping to protect his corrupt ass right now, and that potentially would have made it easier for corruption to go undetected in the first place.


What are you babbling about? The investigation into Adams crimes is federal. It has nothing to do with “stronger party machine” and RCV (or lack thereof) has no effect on the investigation.

Same Feds that busted Trayon White’s dumb ass for being crooked, in spite of what you undoubtedly characterize as DC’s “strong party machine.”

Your dog don’t hunt.


Oh yeah? How come that bribed ex con was on my ballot again and has been back on the Council? Not talking about Trayon
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 11:40     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:Watching the Republican Party I just can not allow any of them a chance to take power. Hard no.



The notion that RCV would benefit Republicans is truly bizarre. Here's a list of some of the cities that already have ranked choice voting. As you can see, it's highly liberal areas that tend to like ranked choice voting.

San Francisco
New York City
Portland, Oregon
Seattle
Cambridge, Massachusetts
Berkeley, California
Minneapolis
Portland, Maine
Takoma, Maryland
Arlington, Virginia
Burlington, Vermont
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 11:18     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
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Anonymous wrote:The DC Dems look terrible opposing ranked choice. I think they are just worried about losing control of council which has way too many encumbents and is going too far to the left. I have lived here for 25 years and I don't know anyone who wants extreme prgoressives. Ranked choice might actually get us some common sense, centrist candidates.


If there was a clear strong candidate that was a common sense centrist wouldn't they be able to just win? Why does ranked choice help all that much?

I'm highly annoyed it was paired with open primaries which I won't support. And when I signed a petition to support RCV going on the ballot, there was no mention of the other part.



It's very strange that some complain about DC not having a vote in Congress, and then they turn around and support barring independents from voting in the only local elections that matter. Can't have it both ways.


It's not strange. They are entirely unrelated and you have failed to make a point here.


Why won't right wingers give DC a vote in Congress? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they dont approve of the people they think DC will vote for.

Why won't left wingers in DC allow independents to vote in the only local elections that matter? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they don't approve of the people they think independents will vote for.

Here's a crazy idea: How about we stop disenfranchising people based on what we assume are their political preferences?


I think you are correct.

I can't affect the national decision.

For open primaries, it seems to me like the only reason not to have them would be the fear that enough independents/Rs could jump sides to skew a primary toward a candidate who couldn't win the general election. That doesn't seem like a real risk with DC's demographics since whoever wins the primary is going to win the general no matter what.

Happy to hear others thoughts, but appears to me its the political machine opposing and I am in favor.





The primaries would be open to independents, not to members of a different party -- if you're a registered Republican, you can't vote in the Democratic primary under I83, just like if you're a registered Democrat, you can't vote in the Statehood Green primary.

Very little risk that a Republican would win a citywide election in D.C., which voted 91 percent for Biden in 2020 and 87 percent for Eleanor Holmes Norton.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 11:13     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Watching the Republican Party I just can not allow any of them a chance to take power. Hard no.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 10:47     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
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Anonymous wrote:The DC Dems look terrible opposing ranked choice. I think they are just worried about losing control of council which has way too many encumbents and is going too far to the left. I have lived here for 25 years and I don't know anyone who wants extreme prgoressives. Ranked choice might actually get us some common sense, centrist candidates.


If there was a clear strong candidate that was a common sense centrist wouldn't they be able to just win? Why does ranked choice help all that much?

I'm highly annoyed it was paired with open primaries which I won't support. And when I signed a petition to support RCV going on the ballot, there was no mention of the other part.



It's very strange that some complain about DC not having a vote in Congress, and then they turn around and support barring independents from voting in the only local elections that matter. Can't have it both ways.


It's not strange. They are entirely unrelated and you have failed to make a point here.


Why won't right wingers give DC a vote in Congress? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they dont approve of the people they think DC will vote for.

Why won't left wingers in DC allow independents to vote in the only local elections that matter? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they don't approve of the people they think independents will vote for.

Here's a crazy idea: How about we stop disenfranchising people based on what we assume are their political preferences?


I think you are correct.

I can't affect the national decision.

For open primaries, it seems to me like the only reason not to have them would be the fear that enough independents/Rs could jump sides to skew a primary toward a candidate who couldn't win the general election. That doesn't seem like a real risk with DC's demographics since whoever wins the primary is going to win the general no matter what.

Happy to hear others thoughts, but appears to me its the political machine opposing and I am in favor.



Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 09:55     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've heard it said that ranked choice voting is how NYC finally got a moderate mayor, no? Sounds promising to me!


NYC got Eric Adams through ranked choice voting. Be careful what you wish for.


Conversely, without RCV, there would be a stronger party machine that would be helping to protect his corrupt ass right now, and that potentially would have made it easier for corruption to go undetected in the first place.


What are you babbling about? The investigation into Adams crimes is federal. It has nothing to do with “stronger party machine” and RCV (or lack thereof) has no effect on the investigation.

Same Feds that busted Trayon White’s dumb ass for being crooked, in spite of what you undoubtedly characterize as DC’s “strong party machine.”

Your dog don’t hunt.


You don't think that corrupt behavior takes many forms? There are lots of ways for private actors to gain influence, and for politicians to benefit from those efforts. When there is a strong party machine, it's easier to conduct those activities in ways that are less transparent, and even legal, but that are still ethically questionable and functionally corrupt.

Eric Adams and Trayon White were busted for such naked corruption because they didn't have the resources needed to do the same type of thing in a subtler way.

Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 08:50     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've heard it said that ranked choice voting is how NYC finally got a moderate mayor, no? Sounds promising to me!


NYC got Eric Adams through ranked choice voting. Be careful what you wish for.


Conversely, without RCV, there would be a stronger party machine that would be helping to protect his corrupt ass right now, and that potentially would have made it easier for corruption to go undetected in the first place.


What are you babbling about? The investigation into Adams crimes is federal. It has nothing to do with “stronger party machine” and RCV (or lack thereof) has no effect on the investigation.

Same Feds that busted Trayon White’s dumb ass for being crooked, in spite of what you undoubtedly characterize as DC’s “strong party machine.”

Your dog don’t hunt.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 07:27     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've heard it said that ranked choice voting is how NYC finally got a moderate mayor, no? Sounds promising to me!


NYC got Eric Adams through ranked choice voting. Be careful what you wish for.


Conversely, without RCV, there would be a stronger party machine that would be helping to protect his corrupt ass right now, and that potentially would have made it easier for corruption to go undetected in the first place.
Anonymous
Post 10/17/2024 03:54     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Or? How about we don’t do any of that and vote Yes on 83 so we can turf out Councilors on the regular, don’t have ex-convict bribe-taking folk on the ballot over and over again, and don’t have to suffer — in PPs sad but accurate turn of phrase — the “incompetent cretins” who couldn’t cut it any other job but the government taxpayer handouts for life?

I don’t wanna register as anything at all. Democracy says I can vote on Prop 83 and there’s not a damn thing you can do to stop me.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 22:35     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
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Anonymous wrote:The DC Dems look terrible opposing ranked choice. I think they are just worried about losing control of council which has way too many encumbents and is going too far to the left. I have lived here for 25 years and I don't know anyone who wants extreme prgoressives. Ranked choice might actually get us some common sense, centrist candidates.


If there was a clear strong candidate that was a common sense centrist wouldn't they be able to just win? Why does ranked choice help all that much?

I'm highly annoyed it was paired with open primaries which I won't support. And when I signed a petition to support RCV going on the ballot, there was no mention of the other part.



It's very strange that some complain about DC not having a vote in Congress, and then they turn around and support barring independents from voting in the only local elections that matter. Can't have it both ways.


It's not strange. They are entirely unrelated and you have failed to make a point here.


Why won't right wingers give DC a vote in Congress? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they dont approve of the people they think DC will vote for.

Why won't left wingers in DC allow independents to vote in the only local elections that matter? Well, they have a lot of reasons that sound high minded, but the real reason is they don't approve of the people they think independents will vote for.

Here's a crazy idea: How about we stop disenfranchising people based on what we assume are their political preferences?


Where is the assumption? If you register as a democrat, you vote in democratic primaries. If you register as a republican you vote in republican primaries. Maybe if enough register as independents they can have their own 3rd party primaries. There is no assumption. One registers with a policitcal party.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 22:34     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
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Anonymous wrote:I'd rather have run-off elections. That gives voters the clearest choices and enable an election of the person preferred by most voters, not the spoiler candidate who came in highest at 2nd place.


This is a runoff election, it's just that it's held at the same time as the initial election. Will take a few cycles for candidates and voters to adjust to it, though.


Run on off with what? Most of these council types are running unopposed no matter how bad they suck. 83
yes


Most of them run effectively unopposed in the general, but they often have like nine opponents in the primary, all of whom split the anti-incumbent vote.


Yep. More people have voted against Brianne Nadeau than for her in every single Dem primary, yet here we are in what seems like Year 25 with that that incompetent cretin. She's toast if ranked-choice passes.


Amen.

Cretin what done it

Yes to 83
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 22:31     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Party system gifted us some losers.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 21:55     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:The DC Dems look terrible opposing ranked choice. I think they are just worried about losing control of council which has way too many encumbents and is going too far to the left. I have lived here for 25 years and I don't know anyone who wants extreme prgoressives. Ranked choice might actually get us some common sense, centrist candidates.


If there was a clear strong candidate that was a common sense centrist wouldn't they be able to just win? Why does ranked choice help all that much?

I'm highly annoyed it was paired with open primaries which I won't support. And when I signed a petition to support RCV going on the ballot, there was no mention of the other part.


Lol! I am not sure about RCV and in principle am against open primaries but as an independent in DC I am willing to consider bending that principle given the current quality of our city council. I had heard about open primaries but not RCV, so now I have to think about whether that is a good idea before voting yes on 83.


Ranked choice general elections, which is what the DC Primary is in practice, tend to eliminate the extremists while keeping the party system in place.

A open jungle primary would have been the best option but that isn't on the table. At least this pushes back a bit against the problems of a one party jurisdiction.
Anonymous
Post 10/16/2024 17:56     Subject: "New Ballot Initiative Proposes Bringing Ranked-Choice Voting And Open Primaries To D.C."
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The DC Dems look terrible opposing ranked choice. I think they are just worried about losing control of council which has way too many encumbents and is going too far to the left. I have lived here for 25 years and I don't know anyone who wants extreme prgoressives. Ranked choice might actually get us some common sense, centrist candidates.


If there was a clear strong candidate that was a common sense centrist wouldn't they be able to just win? Why does ranked choice help all that much?

I'm highly annoyed it was paired with open primaries which I won't support. And when I signed a petition to support RCV going on the ballot, there was no mention of the other part.


Lol! I am not sure about RCV and in principle am against open primaries but as an independent in DC I am willing to consider bending that principle given the current quality of our city council. I had heard about open primaries but not RCV, so now I have to think about whether that is a good idea before voting yes on 83.