Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:55
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t mean they’re moving to the middle of nowhere. Likely places like Philly, Providence, Richmond, Baltimore, Charlotte, Nashville, Pittsburgh and
Columbus that all have some semblance of city amenities like Whole Foods, public transit, “luxury” brand new apartments, walkability and Amtrak stop, but are relatively affordable.
Not just a semblance of a city, but employers. WFH is all but dead. People may be avoiding NYC and SF because of cost, but that doesn't mean they are going rural Montana
Why is WFH dead? DH's marketing company is now permanently hybrid and was 100% in person before. My office job where is making moves to increase from 1 day WFH to two and I hear our central corporate office is basically a ghost town.
It really seems like Hybrid is the wave of the future where and when it can be applied.
I think that will be the norm, but hybrid means that you have to live close enough to actually go in. It makes exurbs more viable because 2 hours once or twice a week may be worth it in exchange for a higher standard of living, but that still closes off a lot of rural America and ties you to a city with a office you can go into
Yeah, and that's part of the reason why Richmond real estate has become so hot. Virginia is also investing in increasing rail service between Richmond and DC, making that 1 day a week commute super easy.
As someone who lives outside Richmond, I can confirm. I have multiple neighbors who commute to NOVA 1x a week. We pay less for a 5br in Henrico than we would pay for an outdated townhouse just outside the beltway. Traffic is better. Schools are better. I just had to get used to online shopping.
I am one of these people. We’re building a house in the Richmond suburbs for half the price it would cost up here. I have to be in the office one day a month. Lots of future neighbors are from NOVA/DC and they love it. Best of both worlds.
Being up here just isn’t worth the premium unless you have to be in the office. Just being honest.
Agreee 100%
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:38
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This doesn’t mean they’re moving to the middle of nowhere. Likely places like Philly, Providence, Richmond, Baltimore, Charlotte, Nashville, Pittsburgh and
Columbus that all have some semblance of city amenities like Whole Foods, public transit, “luxury” brand new apartments, walkability and Amtrak stop, but are relatively affordable.
Not just a semblance of a city, but employers. WFH is all but dead. People may be avoiding NYC and SF because of cost, but that doesn't mean they are going rural Montana
Why is WFH dead? DH's marketing company is now permanently hybrid and was 100% in person before. My office job where is making moves to increase from 1 day WFH to two and I hear our central corporate office is basically a ghost town.
It really seems like Hybrid is the wave of the future where and when it can be applied.
I think that will be the norm, but hybrid means that you have to live close enough to actually go in. It makes exurbs more viable because 2 hours once or twice a week may be worth it in exchange for a higher standard of living, but that still closes off a lot of rural America and ties you to a city with a office you can go into
Yeah, and that's part of the reason why Richmond real estate has become so hot. Virginia is also investing in increasing rail service between Richmond and DC, making that 1 day a week commute super easy.
As someone who lives outside Richmond, I can confirm. I have multiple neighbors who commute to NOVA 1x a week. We pay less for a 5br in Henrico than we would pay for an outdated townhouse just outside the beltway. Traffic is better. Schools are better. I just had to get used to online shopping.
I am one of these people. We’re building a house in the Richmond suburbs for half the price it would cost up here. I have to be in the office one day a month. Lots of future neighbors are from NOVA/DC and they love it. Best of both worlds.
Being up here just isn’t worth the premium unless you have to be in the office. Just being honest.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:30
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.
Sounds miserable.
Yes, spending your days running into many potential peers/mates on metro, at coffee shops, at work, at parks, at museums, at parties and at clubs sounds miserable.
Uh, people meet in apps now, hmm grannie. Not the freaking SUBWAY!
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:29
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s not just cheaper housing. It’s better schools, less crime and fewer homeless people.
Not to mention rural, towns and suburbs have caught up in terms of dining, gyms and other amenities. You no longer need to live in a city for access to these things.
No. I live in a rural town and there is none of the following here or within 90 minutes of me: stores such as Lululemon, Apple, Athleta, Nordstrom, Coach and also Whole Foods, Equinox, Lifetime Fitness, Trader Joe’s, Soulcycle, Justsalad, Sweetgreen and Cava.
Every single one of these things that isn’t edible is available more conveniently online, and my smaller town has a better organic market and much better artisanal restaurants than Sweetgreen and Cava lol.
What smaller town can support an organic market?? This most be a vacation destination. Real rural towns don’t have organic markets, they have a section in Walmart. .
This is just untrue. I lived in a very rural town that had an organic co-op.
You should get out once in a while.
Outside of New England It a resort town? Name the state
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:25
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:As a single I loved in NYC at height of crime and loved it. Today it sucks.
I could get hookers, coke, go to after hours bars, a rub and tug, illegal free cable box, play blackjack all on my block!
Alright Grandpa. Whatever you say.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:23
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:20
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Yep those college educated folks pairing up and leaving DC must are really missing out:
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Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:17
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:14
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.
Right and then you and your college educated partner move someplace you can afford a house before you aren40 if ever. That is the point of this trend. Or do you think people want to live in a shi!hole indefinitely.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:11
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.
Sounds miserable.
Yes, spending your days running into many potential peers/mates on metro, at coffee shops, at work, at parks, at museums, at parties and at clubs sounds miserable.
Who wants to be hit on at work and on the metro?
Anonymous
05/16/2023 18:06
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/05/15/upshot/migrations-college-super-cities.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage§ion=The%20Upshot
DC lost more college educated workers from 2020-21 than it gained, as people realize that they will fare better in cities with cheaper housing.
Could also be the huge uptick in crime, throttled down roads/traffics, spiraling down public schools, saturation point of illiterate illegals, corrupt local govt, etc.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 17:36
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.
Sounds miserable.
Yes, spending your days running into many potential peers/mates on metro, at coffee shops, at work, at parks, at museums, at parties and at clubs sounds miserable.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 17:30
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.
Sounds miserable.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 17:27
Subject: NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
Anonymous wrote:2020-21 was the last year of covid. Hardly a representative sampling, but that never stops the NYTimes.
+1 My thoughts as well.
Anonymous
05/16/2023 17:24
Subject: Re:NYTimes: College educated workers are leaving DC due to high housing costs
That’s short-sighted. You stay in the city in a crummy group house in your 20s because it’s the time to network & meet lifelong partner. No better place to do that.