Anonymous
05/09/2023 17:13
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
You can’t believe that nonsense you wrote. Spaniards are white and definitely believe in their supremacy. They conquered an entire continent with their beliefs of white supremacy. Throughout history the Spain monarchy have intermarried with the monarchies of France, Great Britain, Austria and others. Doubt those white kings and queens of the 16th through 20th century would marry non-whites. Heck, they barely tolerated the white woman with known African blood in the 21st century into their cliche.
Your argument that this was a racial hate crime sucks. You are reaching, and you know it. In order to prove this was any type of white supremacy thing you need to find evidence, research if this person left any public notes or was active in some online circles, etc. If you consider any lighter skinned person killing a darker skinned person a hate crime then what about when it's the other way around, is it ALWAYS racially motivated? No! it's the stupidity we descended into, that feeds stupid and divisive narratives used as fodder by low brow political activists.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 17:07
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:12:48 - They self-radicalize the same way a white teen or early 20s would - online. They get exposed to an ideology and then go way down the rabbit hole with it, and there’s an easy pipeline from semi-mainstream conservative views to serious fascist BS. I remember reading an article awhile back about a guy who created himself a brand new FB account and followed a few regular conservative pages like Fox News, Breitbart, some of the Fox hosts, Trump, etc. It didn’t take long at all for him to be served with basically White Supremecist content. That was just a thought exercise basically, now imagine if you did hold some of those views and Twitter or FB or whatever just kept feeding you more and more extremist content.
White Hispanics - of which there are A LOT in Texas in particular, mostly Mexicans - are basically indistinguishable from white Americans of European descent. As can be some South American immigrants. My boss at my first job for example was Peruvian and I was “darker” than her and I’m mostly Eastern European and Italian in heritage. Many of these Mexican-Americans have been in the US for many generations and it’s a different type of culture than Hispanics/Latinos in other parts of the country who tend to be somewhat newer immigrants from Caribbean and other Central American countries. Anyway - no doubt this shooter saw himself as white. In Texas, the people he interacted with probably saw him as white too.
It doesn’t always make logical sense, but he was so radicalized that it’s past being logical. Maybe the old KKK wouldn’t accept a white Mexican-American white supremecist, but the online WS/“alt-right”/men’s rights type of spaces don’t really care.
Sounds like propagandists of "white supremacy plague" are twisting themselves into pretzels to support their propaganda of "violent white supremacy thugs" exterminating minorities. It sounds so desperate to use this case as white supremacy that it literally resembles an old SNL skit of a blind AA guy joining KKK, because he can't see he is black.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 16:13
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
You can’t believe that nonsense you wrote. Spaniards are white and definitely believe in their supremacy. They conquered an entire continent with their beliefs of white supremacy. Throughout history the Spain monarchy have intermarried with the monarchies of France, Great Britain, Austria and others. Doubt those white kings and queens of the 16th through 20th century would marry non-whites. Heck, they barely tolerated the white woman with known African blood in the 21st century into their cliche.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 16:13
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
Are we in Nazi school or something?
Anonymous
05/09/2023 15:57
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is, this guy identified with white supremacy; he was discharged from the US Military with mental issues, and because of very lax to non-existent Texas gun laws, he was able to get guns and kill people.
Was the gun legally obtained?
When there are no laws, then yes. Doesn't it seem problematic that someone who was discharged from the US military for mental instability was able to legally obtain guns?
There are laws. A legally obtained gun in gun shop - there are rules to follow. Can you show me the paperwork please?
When one can buy a gun at a gun show without showing an ID, there are basically no rules to follow. When there are no rules to follow, anyone can get a gun and use it as they deem fit. If they are mentally unstable, then they don't care if they kill innocent, unarmed people.
Not true. I’ve been to gun shows and the dealers must run a background check before a sale and that requires an ID
In Texas, Abbott eliminated any barriers to buying guns at a gun show. And there are shows all over the state every weekend.
He waived federal requirements?
Wow!
I'm not sure what the PP is posting about re: Abbott, but background checks are not required for private sales, even if it's at a gun show. It's not a secret, it's a loophole. Anyone can buy a gun from an individual selling a gun without having to have a background check, unless the state they're in has created additional laws requiring it. There's not a federal requirement for background checks for private sales. Stop acting like everyone has to have a background check.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 15:48
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
Trying to pin down some sort of logic regarding the accuracy of skin color discrimination is an exercise in ignorance.
The Hispanic white supremacists are just trying to show us that race is a social construct. Very CRT of them.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 15:35
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
Trying to pin down some sort of logic regarding the accuracy of skin color discrimination is an exercise in ignorance.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 14:51
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Spain was under Islamic rule.
One cannot be white if ruled by the Mohammadean for centuries.
It isn’t a “white supremacist” thing.
It’s about clearly defining terms with historical precision.
Not all parts of Europe are capital w white.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 14:02
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:12:48 - They self-radicalize the same way a white teen or early 20s would - online. They get exposed to an ideology and then go way down the rabbit hole with it, and there’s an easy pipeline from semi-mainstream conservative views to serious fascist BS. I remember reading an article awhile back about a guy who created himself a brand new FB account and followed a few regular conservative pages like Fox News, Breitbart, some of the Fox hosts, Trump, etc. It didn’t take long at all for him to be served with basically White Supremecist content. That was just a thought exercise basically, now imagine if you did hold some of those views and Twitter or FB or whatever just kept feeding you more and more extremist content.
White Hispanics - of which there are A LOT in Texas in particular, mostly Mexicans - are basically indistinguishable from white Americans of European descent. As can be some South American immigrants. My boss at my first job for example was Peruvian and I was “darker” than her and I’m mostly Eastern European and Italian in heritage. Many of these Mexican-Americans have been in the US for many generations and it’s a different type of culture than Hispanics/Latinos in other parts of the country who tend to be somewhat newer immigrants from Caribbean and other Central American countries. Anyway - no doubt this shooter saw himself as white. In Texas, the people he interacted with probably saw him as white too.
It doesn’t always make logical sense, but he was so radicalized that it’s past being logical. Maybe the old KKK wouldn’t accept a white Mexican-American white supremecist, but the online WS/“alt-right”/men’s rights type of spaces don’t really care.
He looked indigenous, and would not have been mistaken for white.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:57
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is, this guy identified with white supremacy; he was discharged from the US Military with mental issues, and because of very lax to non-existent Texas gun laws, he was able to get guns and kill people.
Was the gun legally obtained?
When there are no laws, then yes. Doesn't it seem problematic that someone who was discharged from the US military for mental instability was able to legally obtain guns?
There are laws. A legally obtained gun in gun shop - there are rules to follow. Can you show me the paperwork please?
When one can buy a gun at a gun show without showing an ID, there are basically no rules to follow. When there are no rules to follow, anyone can get a gun and use it as they deem fit. If they are mentally unstable, then they don't care if they kill innocent, unarmed people.
Not true. I’ve been to gun shows and the dealers must run a background check before a sale and that requires an ID
In Texas, Abbott eliminated any barriers to buying guns at a gun show. And there are shows all over the state every weekend.
He waived federal requirements?
Wow!
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:57
Subject: Re:What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
I don't know why people think white supremacy is limited to WASPs. Spain is in Europe. People from Spain are white. Every country colonized by Spain has a white population, some of whom think they are superior to anyone darker than them.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
I mean look at Fled Ted Cruz.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:48
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let me be literal here.
This Mexican (Mexican american?) guy shoots up the mall in Allen Texas. He kills what, 8 or 9 people- seems like many were white.
So we don’t know if shooter thinks of himself as white. Victims are white in large part.
Washington post says he’s a white supremacist?
Is that in the khendi sense like you’re a racist if you aren’t an anti-racist?
Otherwise, I just don’t get it.
Why would a white supremacist kill white people?
Anyone?
the victims I saw are an Indian woman, a couple of HIspanic children (dead) and their mother (in critical condition), a 3 yr old child and his parents, all Korean American. did not look like he targeted white poeple. he shot entire families with little kids who were not white
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:38
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:12:48 - They self-radicalize the same way a white teen or early 20s would - online. They get exposed to an ideology and then go way down the rabbit hole with it, and there’s an easy pipeline from semi-mainstream conservative views to serious fascist BS. I remember reading an article awhile back about a guy who created himself a brand new FB account and followed a few regular conservative pages like Fox News, Breitbart, some of the Fox hosts, Trump, etc. It didn’t take long at all for him to be served with basically White Supremecist content. That was just a thought exercise basically, now imagine if you did hold some of those views and Twitter or FB or whatever just kept feeding you more and more extremist content.
White Hispanics - of which there are A LOT in Texas in particular, mostly Mexicans - are basically indistinguishable from white Americans of European descent. As can be some South American immigrants. My boss at my first job for example was Peruvian and I was “darker” than her and I’m mostly Eastern European and Italian in heritage. Many of these Mexican-Americans have been in the US for many generations and it’s a different type of culture than Hispanics/Latinos in other parts of the country who tend to be somewhat newer immigrants from Caribbean and other Central American countries. Anyway - no doubt this shooter saw himself as white. In Texas, the people he interacted with probably saw him as white too.
It doesn’t always make logical sense, but he was so radicalized that it’s past being logical. Maybe the old KKK wouldn’t accept a white Mexican-American white supremecist, but the online WS/“alt-right”/men’s rights type of spaces don’t really care.
That is so interesting and also sad. I would like to hear these people interviewed so they can speak for themselves.
You are probably right that they are radicalized online .
Would you agree that we need to do a better job with countering online hate groups? I am sure many smart people have already been working on this. What would be realistic?
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:20
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is, this guy identified with white supremacy; he was discharged from the US Military with mental issues, and because of very lax to non-existent Texas gun laws, he was able to get guns and kill people.
Was the gun legally obtained?
When there are no laws, then yes. Doesn't it seem problematic that someone who was discharged from the US military for mental instability was able to legally obtain guns?
There are laws. A legally obtained gun in gun shop - there are rules to follow. Can you show me the paperwork please?
When one can buy a gun at a gun show without showing an ID, there are basically no rules to follow. When there are no rules to follow, anyone can get a gun and use it as they deem fit. If they are mentally unstable, then they don't care if they kill innocent, unarmed people.
Not true. I’ve been to gun shows and the dealers must run a background check before a sale and that requires an ID
In Texas, Abbott eliminated any barriers to buying guns at a gun show. And there are shows all over the state every weekend.
Anonymous
05/09/2023 13:17
Subject: What’s with the rise of Hispanic “white supremacists”?
12:48 - They self-radicalize the same way a white teen or early 20s would - online. They get exposed to an ideology and then go way down the rabbit hole with it, and there’s an easy pipeline from semi-mainstream conservative views to serious fascist BS. I remember reading an article awhile back about a guy who created himself a brand new FB account and followed a few regular conservative pages like Fox News, Breitbart, some of the Fox hosts, Trump, etc. It didn’t take long at all for him to be served with basically White Supremecist content. That was just a thought exercise basically, now imagine if you did hold some of those views and Twitter or FB or whatever just kept feeding you more and more extremist content.
White Hispanics - of which there are A LOT in Texas in particular, mostly Mexicans - are basically indistinguishable from white Americans of European descent. As can be some South American immigrants. My boss at my first job for example was Peruvian and I was “darker” than her and I’m mostly Eastern European and Italian in heritage. Many of these Mexican-Americans have been in the US for many generations and it’s a different type of culture than Hispanics/Latinos in other parts of the country who tend to be somewhat newer immigrants from Caribbean and other Central American countries. Anyway - no doubt this shooter saw himself as white. In Texas, the people he interacted with probably saw him as white too.
It doesn’t always make logical sense, but he was so radicalized that it’s past being logical. Maybe the old KKK wouldn’t accept a white Mexican-American white supremecist, but the online WS/“alt-right”/men’s rights type of spaces don’t really care.
White Hispanics - of which there are A LOT in Texas in particular, mostly Mexicans - are basically indistinguishable from white Americans of European descent. As can be some South American immigrants. My boss at my first job for example was Peruvian and I was “darker” than her and I’m mostly Eastern European and Italian in heritage. Many of these Mexican-Americans have been in the US for many generations and it’s a different type of culture than Hispanics/Latinos in other parts of the country who tend to be somewhat newer immigrants from Caribbean and other Central American countries. Anyway - no doubt this shooter saw himself as white. In Texas, the people he interacted with probably saw him as white too.
It doesn’t always make logical sense, but he was so radicalized that it’s past being logical. Maybe the old KKK wouldn’t accept a white Mexican-American white supremecist, but the online WS/“alt-right”/men’s rights type of spaces don’t really care.