Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:49     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.


Agreed. I have an exuberant and quirky girl. I love her to death. But guess what, she has to learn how to function in society. And in the wrong context exuberance is rude. She has to learn when it's okay to let it hang out and when it is not. No one has an inherent right to be rude based on their flamboyant personality. Give me a break.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:47     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ummm yeah if a kid is talking in line - I definitely tell them to go to the back of the line. They hate that because they line up with their friends. Its not humiliation - its "helping" them behave better by getting them away from the person they were talking to.[/quote



I remember when parents would thanks us when their kids got in trouble...


Telling the child to go to the back of the line( because, (‘they were sick of telling them) in front of the child’s peers, is not ok. OP said that her child is now feeling that she is being treated differently, and that is not how a child needs to feel in elementary school. The teacher lost her cool and lashed out in a snarky unprofessional way. Maybe she should have told her privately and as pp suggested- involve her in a solution. Not sure I read that they were walking in the halls while other classes were in session. Children are happy to be in school, with nice weather, looking forward to summer break. She did not hit or push anyone. Maybe the punishment should fit the “crime”, minus the teacher’s intent to shame.

My opinion.


There is so much idiocy here I don't know where to begin.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:46     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ummm yeah if a kid is talking in line - I definitely tell them to go to the back of the line. They hate that because they line up with their friends. Its not humiliation - its "helping" them behave better by getting them away from the person they were talking to.[/quote



I remember when parents would thanks us when their kids got in trouble...


Telling the child to go to the back of the line( because, (‘they were sick of telling them) in front of the child’s peers, is not ok. OP said that her child is now feeling that she is being treated differently, and that is not how a child needs to feel in elementary school. The teacher lost her cool and lashed out in a snarky unprofessional way. Maybe she should have told her privately and as pp suggested- involve her in a solution. Not sure I read that they were walking in the halls while other classes were in session. Children are happy to be in school, with nice weather, looking forward to summer break. She did not hit or push anyone. Maybe the punishment should fit the “crime”, minus the teacher’s intent to shame.

My opinion.


No, it is completely okay. I am sick of parents like you who think children should never feel shame. Shame in the appropriate context is an important social lesson and your kids will survive it. And they will remember it. Clearly OP's kid was a repeat offender and completely disrespectful to her teacher and her peers. This was totally appropriate and there is no need for private consult. That is total BS.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:46     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter

oh no! little princess got her feelings hurt? and the queen mommy too? it's not likely that the teacher sent her to end of the line after the first infraction. probably was warned before that happened. learn and move on. surprised you came to dcum to complain (then again, not).
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:44     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
I too, feel like it is grossly unfair and humiliating to face the consequences of my own actions, especially if I am repeatedly breaking the rules. I should be allowed to do whatever I want at all times and anyone who dares call me out on it is unfairly targeting me! Any consequence is demeaning and inhumane! When a cop gives me a ticket for speeding, they should be the one punished!
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:40     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.


Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.


Guess what’s a big part of social emotional learning? Self control! Part of growing up is learning appropriate behavior in different social situations. Being quiet in the hallway is a fundamental rule. That the kids learn right at the beginning of kindergarten. If a child can’t stop talking in line, the natural consequence is to move them away from the kids they keep talking to. This is not a form of shaming, it’s a logistical solution. We need to stop interpreting everything through the lens of victimhood. Kids will never develop resilience that way.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:38     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.


Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.


A child needs to learn how to behave. Apparently parents like you fail at that, so the teacher has to do it.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:38     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.


Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.


And, the other children in the school deserved to be treated with respect, as well. If the teacher is constantly having to stop and correct the kid, that is disruptive behavior. The teacher took action to stop it. But, from the fact that OP bothered to post it here, it appears the lesson will not be learned. Sad.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:37     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.


Oh, you're one of *those* parents.

First, it isn't a severe punishment. Second, it isn't punishment for one infraction, like the punch you mention, it is punishment for repeatedly talking in line, and not listening when the teacher told them to stop. Third, it will, in the teacher's opinion, eliminate the problem by removing the temptation to talk.

It's perfectly fine, and you are doing your kid no favors with your attitude.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:33     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.


Some of you indeed, like you pp, are the worst.

As for the purpose of school? If you read, at all, the purpose is many.
Making sure kids are fed health food fore breakfast, lunch, and bags to take home weekends.
Keeping them safe.
Learning is academic, yet also social emotional.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:33     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.


Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.


The kid was being bad. This will hopefully fix that behavior.
I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:32     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.


Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.

I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.


And people wonder why there is a teacher shortage.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:30     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Meant bad kid, not bag kid.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:30     Subject: Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

It's not 3 months. The school year is over in 6 weeks. It's also not that bad of a punishment. The appropriate punishment for talking is to separate her from the people she's talking with. The teacher did that.


Not OP.

Sure it is. Her DD now has the Scarlet Letter every single time they line up.

And yes, my kid would have volunteered to be the caboose, thinking it or the "lead" were the 2 cool positions. Shut the classroom door, turn off the lights, make sure everyone is out. The teacher could have formulated this in a positive manner instead of making your kid feel like a bag kid. Love how DCUM is all about mental health, then piles on that IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT as a parent for not fixing this and now your kid is treated and feels poorly.

I think that teacher is a jerk, OP.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2023 12:25     Subject: Re:Child told to walk last in line for final quarter
Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.


Well, most people understand that talkative, silly kids can be very disruptive for kids trying to learn. Which is the purpose of school. Some of you are the worst. No wonder the kids are so ill-behaved.