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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what apologists for calling the cops want to ignore:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joshua-mclemore-schizophrenia-dead-malnourished-solitary-confinement-lawsuit-jackson-county-indiana

I'm not an apologist in the slightest. This guy should've sought treatment. Sad way to go but hopefully he did not cause harm to others.

Again, I would call the police, OP.

My god you are either heartless and amoral or you are a moron. A floridly psychotic schizophrenic cannot seek treatment without help, and certainly not while locked in a cold jail sell for days and days while his jailers watch him starve to death.

Those jailers, every one of them should suffer in this life. I only wish karma actually worked that way.

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what apologists for calling the cops want to ignore:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joshua-mclemore-schizophrenia-dead-malnourished-solitary-confinement-lawsuit-jackson-county-indiana

I'm not an apologist in the slightest. This guy should've sought treatment. Sad way to go but hopefully he did not cause harm to others.

Again, I would call the police, OP.

Here’s what apologists for calling the cops want to ignore:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joshua-mclemore-schizophrenia-dead-malnourished-solitary-confinement-lawsuit-jackson-county-indiana

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.

Where did you come up with that rule?

Someone who has been inside a mental health facility or group home for the mentally ill knows better than the average American what mental illness looks like on a regular day. Personally I have never been in such a facility as a patient, but I have been inside such facilities hundreds of times presenting evidence at commitment hearings and gathering evidence for cases and attending trainings with mental health professionals. I would venture a guess that I am more informed on this subject than 95% of the posters commenting.

It is statistically exceedingly rare to be a victim of violence at the hands of a schizophrenic person. Mental illness is responsible for up to 10% of overall crime, and most of that is contextual crime that results from schizophrenics or other mentally ill persons being unable to conform their behavior to usual standards and getting popped for lower level criminal behavior like ‘disorderly conduct.’ You are as likely to be assaulted by a schizophrenic as your child is to be abducted by a stranger on the way to or from school - exceedingly unlikely, that is.

But don’t let facts or statistics get in the way of your unreasonable biases and fears of people who talk to themselves and imaginary friends. You’d likely see and hear more violence and foul language and yelling by typical sports fans at the average stadium sporting event but that wouldn’t bother you at all. You just have irrational fears and you could address them by educating yourself. Maybe you should volunteer for a while with an agency that assists people living with mental illness?

Remember, God is calling you to exhibit your character. What if God was one of us? Just a stranger on the bus, trying to make his way home? And talking to himself all the way there?

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Anonymous wrote:screaming in public probably qualifies as "public disorder"

Again. What do you think the response of the Montgomery County, MD police to this will be?

I think it will be an arrest for "public disorder"

You are mistaken!

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.

You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.

I was having no difficulty understanding that you were engaged in obfuscation. Of course physicians’ opinions would be relevant. The opinion of someone who has merely visited these facilities ain’t that.

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Anonymous wrote:screaming in public probably qualifies as "public disorder"

Again. What do you think the response of the Montgomery County, MD police to this will be?

I think it will be an arrest for "public disorder"

In our neighborhood, the individual with mental illness screaming in the streets rarely gets arrested. The police have been called many times to no avail. However, the calls and police reports are a good way to document the ongoing issue. He was eventually arrested for making violent threats and the history of calls led helped to demonstrate the pattern of events.

So, call if you feel that you need do. File a complaint, report, or what have you. Hopefully, it will raise red flags when needed.

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Anonymous wrote:screaming in public probably qualifies as "public disorder"

Again. What do you think the response of the Montgomery County, MD police to this will be?

I think it will be an arrest for "public disorder"

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.

You were having difficulty understanding my response, so I gave you clarification.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.

A medical professional or other professional does not need to reside in long-term care in a hospital or group home in order to have an opinion. You seem to think they aren't appropriate for certain mentally ill individuals. I do.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

No, you have never been “in long-term care in a hospital or group home.” Having been physically inside a facility is not a relevant qualification for an opinion on this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:But doesn’t he have a right to be an unmedicated mental patient?

He has not actually injured anyone (yet).

It is time to restore the inpatient mental asylum system, though in a companionate way with ample safeguards.

Oh, it’s you again. You didn’t get enough attention on the other thread?

I'm sure that there are many of us who think long-term hospitalization is appropriate for some mentally ill individuals.

Do you have any idea how expensive long-term inpatient care is?

Of course, but better than people sleeping in the streets and wandering around without housing.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

The answer is "yes" I have been inside one. The answer is "no" I haven't been institutionalized.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.

So the answer is no.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that schizophrenics can become paranoid and violent. I would be very worried if I were the neighbors. Set up cameras, fence, etc, and help out the parents with county information and resources.

+1 Posters saying they're rarely paranoid and harm others are incorrect.

No, statistically those posters are correct and you are not.

PP here. You can quote statistics, but it's not a rare occurrence for unmedicated individuals with schizophrenia to experienced paranoia and become aggressive. (I didn't say most.)

A. This poster actually has no idea whether or not her neighbor is unmedicated. None. Zip. Zero. I realize the armchair mental health warriors here strongly believe that if people with schizophrenia just took their meds, they would act normal. That is not the case.

B. It is nowhere near common enough to justify calling the police just because a person is behaving in an unseemly way in public. What exactly do you think the cops are going to do?

Sadly, there are many men and women walking the streets of big cities because people think it's a better life than being in long-term care in a hospital or group home. I strongly disagree.

Have you been in long-term care in a hospital or a group home?

I'm not mentally ill but have an older family member who was hospitalized for all of his adult life. I also work in the special education field.