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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

You are all over this thread with your “honest questions.” I hate to shame people, but your writing is atrocious and your critical thinking is severely lacking. It’s pretty clear you didn’t attend any of the schools we are discussing. Do we really need to explain to you how chorus, crew, and other activities with girls is different than single sex learning of math, science, language arts, and history? No, I think even you can grasp that those classes (the ones that college admissions actually looks at) are fundamentally different.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

so why are the best high schools in the country coed?

Can’t read, huh? Asked and answered.

so the best schools in the country are coed but kids do not learn better in coed schools. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

so why are the best high schools in the country coed?

Can’t read, huh? Asked and answered.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

so why are colleges and universities mostly coed? And you used choir and crew as a way of saying it's good for the kids, they aren't Never around girls. Now you are saying it's just because the schools are too poor to what, have another coach to train boys and girls separately?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, if I had to choose, I would go with Gonzaga, purely because of its size. The classes are around 250 per grade, meaning your son will more easily find his people. If you stumble upon a lousy class at any of the other schools, it really sucks not having options for friends.

250 per grade really? Or is there like 400 freshmen and under 200 seniors because people that go there leave?

Umm, what makes you think this? GZ has little or no attrition.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

so why are the best high schools in the country coed?

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD goes to an all girls high school and I am a fan of single sex education. I only hung out with boys from the all boys Prep School near me (think Georgetown Prep). I was in public and the boys at my public school were all unmotivated and wanted to party or were nerds - no in between. The Prep boys were from good families and were great kids. They were all athletes (even a lacrosse player) and none of them were anything but respectful and kind to others/girls. I’m sure there were some bad apples, but I never met any of them. Toxic male behavior can be found everywhere. I think the benefits of an all boys school far outweigh any perceived negatives.

how come the best high schools in the country are overwhelmingly coed? Honest question. What do you know that they dont?

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quoting you "but his impression is that many of the girls spout feminist ideas that they have not really thought about themselves, and they are combative in class and seem very unhappy and stressed academically."

Combative. Feminist. Sounds like how the STA boys used to like to put down NCS girls back in the 90s!

I'll grant you stressed academically is accurate. NCS is harder than STA and the girls work much harder than their counterparts at STA.

Why is described by someone as feminist a put down? My son’s sisters would describe themselves that way. However, repeating traditional feminist ideas without having explored them with intellectual rigor suggests more of a “following the party line” than independent thinking.

So STA boys still look down on/ are cowered by NCS girls.

It appears that nothing has changed since the ‘80s.

I’m a feminist and mom of two STA boys. I would not say the boys are in any way cowed by NCS girls.

The cultures of the two schools are quite different. The STA boys learn early on to have respectful conversations that leave their interlocutors with dignity, respecting their basic humanity even if they disagree. You disagree with the position, you don’t disrespect the person.

The NCS girls are taught that being strong means disparaging the other person to the point of cancellation. If you disagree with a “correct” position, you should be crushed like a bug. There is no distance between the position and the person.

This is what I believe the other mom’s sons meant when they said the NCS girls are “combative.”

My children went to Beauvoir, have friends among the NCS girls, and I know and love some of the NCS girls. However, they have been growing in a different intellectual culture. NCS is decidedly dominated by more left-of-center thinking and I’d probably feel more comfortable in that parent community. I’d be surrounded by people who agree with me. The disadvantage of that environment is that it allows the girls to become mired in groupthink.

STA is more politically diverse. It also explicitly teaches respectful, considerate debate and asks the boys to learn how to take on difficult issues without disparaging one another. That is a valuable life skill and is one of the many things about STA that makes the tuition more than worthwhile to me and my husband. That’s not to say there isn’t any groupthink among members of the STA community but the boys are challenged to challenge themselves and one another - politely and with brotherhood in mind.

BVR, NCS (and STA hopeful) parent here. How do you know this about NCS girls? How can you claim to be a feminist and the putting down a whole community of girls? Is this what kids learn at STA? I guess it’s good that you don’t have daughters.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

It is better for the majority of learning to happen in a single sex environment. It’s better for both girls and boys. Look up the studies.

Boys’ executive functioning develops much later than girls. Especially in 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th, girls are more mature, have greater focus, and can sit for longer periods without breaks. Education has been feminized; teaching norms are now geared towards what comes more easily to girls. The majority of teachers are women, which exacerbates this trend.

Putting boys in a learning environment where the teachers get boys is a tremendous academic advantage. The teaching is geared towards how boys learn best. It also makes a difference that the majority of teachers are male.

In an all boys environment the boys are freer to experiment with different activities and hobbies with no gender bias. A large number of STA boys are in the performing arts or visual artists. There’s no stigma. You might have a football star who paints or is the lead in a musical. The boys are allowed to try any role they want without gender stereotypes holding them back.

In my co-Ed high school chorus, music, and art were for sissies and geeks if you were a boy. Not true at all at STA.

Chorus, theater, and crew are coordinate because of economies of scale issues and to facilitate social interaction, not because doing them coed helps the kids do them better.

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Anonymous wrote:All boys schools doesnt mean no interaction with girls and doesn’t mean bad behavior. Lot of stereotypes here, OP. Stop generalizing.

At an all boys school, meaning a school without girls, there is zero interaction with girls. If you want to say that everywhere but school there is interactions with girls, fine. But even that would be nuts to say. Get up in the morning, go to an all boys school, maybe go to practice after school (most likely Not a coed team) then go home after school. Unless they are going out and doing things they shouldn't be on a school night, WHERE ARE THERE GIRLS IN THAT DAY!

My son has classes with girls at the all girls school his school is associated with.

He also has a number of classes taught by excellent teachers that also happen to be women.

if he is in class with girls all day every day, I wouldn't call that an all boys school.

The poster didn’t say “all day.”

However, some single sex schools have joint classes and programs with their sister schools.

STA has “coordinate” classes with NCS starting in 7th. Chinese is taught at NCS for example.

Theater, chorus, crew, and many other activities are joint.

so some have some classes, others zero classes with girls. Got it. And the kids need to join choir and crew. Got it. So when they should be working to be better at crew or singing it's ok to be around girls, but not for working to get better at other things, ok. So at the end of the day, is it better to be in a single sex environment or not? If it is why have girls in crew or choir? Honest question. I say it's not better for whatever that's worth.

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Anonymous wrote:I think now that we are raising boys in a 'man hating' culture, particularly white men, it is more important than ever to put them in all boys schools to help with their confidence.

I've never met an unconfident white man. They are still running the world and you feel that they are the victims?

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Anonymous wrote:I think now that we are raising boys in a 'man hating' culture, particularly white men, it is more important than ever to put them in all boys schools to help with their confidence.

I've never met an unconfident white man. They are still running the world and you feel that they are the victims?